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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-02-28 04:11 pm

[ SECRET POST #2978 ]


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Re: 'May you live in interesting times' in-fucking-deed

(Anonymous) 2015-02-28 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
This is all certainly true, and I agree very emphatically with the idea that we do not live in a post-historical society.

That said, a hot war between the UK or US and Russia (or, indeed, between any nuclear powers barring India and Pakistan) is incredibly unlikely to ever happen. Most countries just aren't that crazy. So I wouldn't worry about that, specifically.

Not to say that internal political conditions won't be bad or proxy wars won't happen, because they probably will.

Re: 'May you live in interesting times' in-fucking-deed

(Anonymous) 2015-03-01 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yep.

This is how I feel -- the war-mongering and sabre rattling is getting on my nerves. Can we please stop with the doomsday scenarios?

No nation in the "developed" world (or any of the powerhouses like Russia or India) is ever going to go to war with each other.

At worst, some poor nation in the developing world will bear the burden of a proxy war -- which pisses me right off because it's a useless fucking tactic that inflicts terrible casualties that take decades to recover from for the poor population there. But it's what'll happen if things get heated.

Re: 'May you live in interesting times' in-fucking-deed

(Anonymous) 2015-03-01 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
*oops

meant to say China and India, not Russia and India

sorry for confusion

Re: 'May you live in interesting times' in-fucking-deed

(Anonymous) 2015-03-01 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I do actually think that Pakistan and India are possible exceptions to this, because there's a non-zero chance that their governments actually are totally fucking insane.

But, yeah. Other than that, doomsday scenarios are exceedingly unlikely.

Re: 'May you live in interesting times' in-fucking-deed

(Anonymous) 2015-03-01 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
Towards each other, maybe.

The hate between Pakistan and India is quite legendary.

But when it comes to conflicts not directly involving their own countries (such as Russia invading a neighbor), I don't think they're crazy enough to get involved.

Re: 'May you live in interesting times' in-fucking-deed

(Anonymous) 2015-03-01 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
The current UK conservative party do not seem to have an understanding of how dangerous brinksmanship is, or the political savvy to effectively use it. They seem blinkered by arrogance and blind patriotism. I would say the same of the US republican party too. Their use of brinksmanship, which is to say their misuse of it, where victory is presumed assured if you are simply stubborn enough and because they have a right to be victors of everything, give real cause to worry that they may well blunder into a conflict by error and bullheadedness. The determination to gloat over fallen enemies instead of offering face-saving ways out (and of course their inability to regognize a way to exit themselves without losing face) are also of great concern, because it makes the opposition more bullheaded and stubborn too. I could forsee a situation where a minor incident undergoes uncontrolled escalation simply through preconception that a stubborn refusal to look facts in the face will ensure victory.

Re: 'May you live in interesting times' in-fucking-deed

(Anonymous) 2015-03-01 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
I agree they're quite stupid and bad at foreign policy. But they would have to fuck up so, so, so, so bad to actually get into a hot war with a major power. It would have to escalate beyond escalation. They would almost have to be actually insane, not just incompetent.

Re: 'May you live in interesting times' in-fucking-deed

(Anonymous) 2015-03-01 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
If anyone is that incompetent it is David Cameron, if anyone is arrogant enough to believe they have a divine mandate to win, it is the Tea Party wing of the GOP. It can be quite easy to stumble into a major war through tiny little steps too. Easier than anyone would wish. All it requires is looking at only a narrowly defined objective and ignoring larger concerns.