[ SECRET POST #368 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #368 ⌋

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Notes:

- First comment is: Name That Fandom!!

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 150 secrets from Secret Submission Post #053.
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Comments

[lady-mercury.livejournal.com]

Anime is not expensive because of people downloading. How long have you been an anime fan, actually? I'm sure you don't remember the days of VHS where 2 episodes was 30 dollars and you DIDN'T have the option of dub or sub.

Yes, Anime has ALWAYS been "expensive". I think anime is cheaper NOW because you get more for your BUCK and they're not simply copying over the original Japanese R2 release which only has 2 episodes for 40 bucks.

Research, darling :)

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

Let's see... 9 years, although if you REALLY want to count Hello Kitty, Sailor Moon, Speed Racer and SPK, 14 years. Yeah. So yes, I do remember the VHS days.

Yes, you DO get more for your buck BUT, it is still more expensive than say, a full length movie. In a full length movie, you get options of english.french.spanish most often. You get subtitles as well. You get several special features such as bloopers, making ofs, interveiws, that you don't get with anime. anime you usually get trailers and that's it. Feature length movies cost from 2.99 in the bin at walmart, to 40 dollars, but usually, they peak around 20 - 25 bucks. Anime will run you anywhere from 30 - 50 dollars, more often 50 especially in Eastern Canada. these prices are nonsense, seriously. Considering the ACTUAL COST that the American companies put in (far less than that of a feature length), 25 bucks for a DVD of 5 episodes is more than enough.

Just because it's 'cheaper' now than it was in 1990 means nothing, seriously. Alot of stuff gets more 'worth it' over time just because of the technology going into it. Movies back then were 25 dollars too. They didn't have anything but the movie. Anime has always been overpriced.

So believe it or not, when you're downloading those fansubs and burning them off and adding it to your collection, rather than buying the dvd's, you're just contributing to the high cost of anime DVD's, because they can't afford to lower them, and killing the industry, just as much as downloading music and movies does.

[lady-mercury.livejournal.com]

The average Japanese dvd costs 35 dollars. A Japanese movie can go from 35 dollars all the way up 250 dollars. That is including an American movie as well which is marketed in Japan.

When anime is brought over to the states, it is SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper that the R2 release. You must also realize that these dvds are just direct copies from the R2s with an English track thrown on. I don't know what type of DVDs you've been buying that all you have is just a trailer (unless its a Viz release -- cause they're cheap bastards, but anyway) you get a hell of a lot more than that. FUNImation and ADV releases ALWAYS come packed with interviews, bloopers, commentary, etc.

You do get your bang for your buck. I don't see how 5 episodes for 20 dollars is EXPENSIVE. Seriously, you're not only PAYING for the dvd -- you're paying for the licensing rights. Its an IMPORTED product, you're paying for that. Movies are domestically made, thus there isn't a HIGH price for them.

Also, what dvds are you finding for 2.99? Movies that are made five, six, seven years ago. New movies are 15, 16, 17, all the way up to 30 dollars. PoTC 3 cost me 27 dollars. The regular edition was 21.

Seriously, the market is severely inexpensive compared to the Japanese market and is pretty much on par with the American movie market.

You must realize that these 50 dollar dvds maybe a special edition that comes with a box or something. There is always the cheaper alternative.

I don't understand your movie remark. Anime VHS had one or the other and only two episodes, THAT was expensive. At least movies, at the end of the VHS, had trailers or something that kept you watching.

You must also take into consideration of the RENTAL industry that keeps many DVDs at considerable rates. Anime does not have a large rental community. Its purely retail.

Please, fansubs isn't doing anymore damage to the anime community rather than expanding it. Why the hell is anime getting licensed faster? FANSUBS.

Why the hell is all these titles popular. Why is there a Shounen Jump? Shoujo Jump? Why is Death Note here a YEAR after its Japanese premiere ( and may I say almost exactly to the DATE of premiere) because of FANSUBS.

FANSUBS help this industry.

:)

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

Look- I understand that fansubs help by opening more doors, showing ppl that there are good shows out there. I watch fansubs.

What doesn't help is when people burn them to disc and put them away, deciding that since they have it burned they don't need to buy it, which is what the majority of fans are doing today. THAT is the problem I have with it.

And by the way I'm referring to the shitty single dvds, not the box sets, Box sets are worth it sometimes, but the single dvds seem to come with jack,

[lady-mercury.livejournal.com]

They're everywhere. American industry, Japanese, European. Cheap people are everywhere. Its a practice going on for years and its not going to stop. It is not impacting the industry as everyone has CLAIMED it has.

That is what I was referring too. I've never bot a boxset in my life.

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

Yes, but anime is also a lot more in demand. Prices should be going significantly down, because there's a much large market for it.

And 2 episodes vs 4 episodes isn't great. Obviously it's not that black and white, and you do have a point, but it's also not an EPIC AMAZING CHANGE. Although it is sinking somewhat, because of many things (Including fan subs), the prices aren't as cheap as a lot of things. Things are getting better (although with recent developments that may change) but they still aren't as cheap as say, American cartoons.

I also think some of it comes from the fact that few other fandoms are so encompassing. If you're a CSI fan you have 1-3 box sets a year to buy, not the 10 or so an anime fan might want. Which is just kinda one of those "Life's tough, huh." things. But that's a different tangents.

But yes. Fansubbing does have an effect. People in the companies, way up, have come right out and said this, it's not some guessing on our part.

[lady-mercury.livejournal.com]

Saying that anime show drop below 15 dollars, roughly speaking, means that no one is really going to make a profit. Not the stores, not the distributors, not the Japanese companies, and not the American companies that forked out the thousands to license the product.

You simply can't compare a domestic product to an imported product. Its not how the system works. Even an economics class can tell you that. Especially if the product is from a country where its cost of labor is almost on par with the country that's purchasing it.

Anime fans can wait a year and shell out the 65 - 130 dollars for the boxset of their 26 episode show.

Fans of television have to shell out that much for each SEASON. Depending on how many episodes. Either way, its expensive.

Companies have been saying this since the days of Napster.

Its been eleven years and the industry hasn't exploded yet.

[penguinfaery.livejournal.com]

A box set of a TV show season and a box set of an anime is like...almost the exact same thing. Most anime box sets I know go seasonal (If there are seasons, plural, and not just one like most anime. Naruto, for example, has a box set per season)

Cartoons are, on a whole, cheaper to make then say, a movie that cost many millions of dollars. Both have their creations fees of different kinds, the DVD sales help supplement. Anime isn't some special snowflake of costing shitloads to get to us. Yes, anime has to pay for importing, etc. I saw War of the Worlds on sale for $10, and I bet it cost WAY more to get made then any anime out there. Of course it's not excatly the same, but compariosn can be made. (And I still say, the fact that you can buy two seasons worth of Justice League for $35 ish...yeah. That shows had HUGE production cost.)

And I'd also like ton point out some anime DO get that low (Big O, Gundam Z). So that sorta blows the whole "They can't get that low." argument out of the water.