[ SECRET POST #2979 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2979 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but I really, really dislike The Dark Knight

Heath Ledger does a good job, but the Joker is just Johan Liebert-lite.

It's incredibly manipulative and I hate how conservative its message is -- it's basically designed to pander to Republicans, especially that ending.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree. I thought it was a deeply substandard film.

[(Anonymous)]

The message is that everyone can be good and selfless, even hardened convicts? That's conservative?

[(Anonymous)]

It was more the issue with the Bat sonar that I was thinking of...

[(Anonymous)]

What the realization that while total surveillance can be useful in the most extreme of emergencies, that even then it was a temptation that no man should have and ought to be shut down? That is the message the film put out. No justifying ongoing surveillance by claiming the emergency still was ongoing, no trying to leverage it into a "trust me I won't abuse it", Bruce put it in the hands of someone else and that someone shut it down hard. The message was that freedom and privacy is something no one should be expected to give up and anyone who advocated otherwise was mentally unstable.

[(Anonymous)]

That might have been the intention but combine it with the subsequent film and it doesn't read to me that way at all

instead, it sounds like an "ends justify the means scenario"

especially since the next film portrays all of Gotham as completely incompetent without Batman

It's an INCREDIBLY paternalistic story

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, well, I didn't bother with the third movie. I'd kinda grown out of my grimdark phase when it rolled around.

[(Anonymous)]

If that's your takeaway then it sounds more left leaning than republican. They actually do the things the right gets blamed for.

[(Anonymous)]

Assuming you mean that they do the authoritarian paternalistic things [that the right gets blamed for] - that doesn't make it leftist at all, because it portrays those authoritarian things as basically correct and justified.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree with the message as much as you, but I still think it's a good movie. It's well done.

[(Anonymous)]

It's well done I agree but in a way that feels really artificial. In my opinion.

Take Harvey's fall -- nothing about it makes sense. The guy had half his face burnt off and traumatically listened to his girlfriend die. He was not in a sane frame of mind. He didn't "fall" or "succumb" -- he was fucking traumatized beyond belief. It just feels completely artificial to pretend that Batman has to "take the fall" for him because Harvey's reputation can't be "sullied."

Or the Joker -- with him, it's always one plot convenience after the next. He's written more as a force of nature than a character. And while Ledger's performance lends it great weight, it's very much a vacuous role.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with that, and yet I think the thing holds together.

It has almost a grand guignol, operatic feel to it. Yes, it's artificial, but it's also effective.

[(Anonymous)]

It's effective, but I feel so manipulated that it's a turn off.

It's like when people post animal abuse videos with cheesy music over it. I feel for the animals but I'm always so goddamn pissed off at the music for its blatant attempts to manipulate and I can't help but find it insulting that whoever made it thinks I wouldn't find the animal's suffering a compelling enough reason to donate on its own.

But Sappy Song #72 will TOTALLY convince me.

It just reeks of amateurism.

[(Anonymous)]

That's fair. Ultimately, our responses to the work are our own.

I just ultimately think that it's effective enough and works well enough as an artifice to be a good movie. It's certainly not the kind of movie that I would want to make but it's very well-done for what it is.

woot monster reference!

[(Anonymous)]

totally unrelated but high five, anon!

[(Anonymous)]

I really hate it, too, but mostly because they fucked up the Harvey Dent storyline big time (everything after Harvey's injury should have been saved for another movie) and because of the sheer stupidity of the Joker having mentally ill henchmen...who are mentally ill enough to listen to the Joker, but somehow perfectly functional carrying out complicated orders. Yeah, like that's going to happen.