[ SECRET POST #2995 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2995 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Twin Peaks]


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[Big Hero 6]


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[WWE/NXT]


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[Chris Barrie (Red Dwarf)]


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[Person of Interest]


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[Legend of Korra]


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[Final Fantasy X]


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[Xenoblade Chronicles]


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[Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear]


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[Paul Darrow]


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[Gore Vidal]


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[South Park]


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[Ursula K. LeGuin, Earthsea series]


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[Galavant]


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[A Goofy Movie]


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[Mockingjay]








Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 079 secrets from Secret Submission Post #428.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

So, I know we've had this discussion before but someone just demanded a TW for character bashing on a kink meme. I mean even if you don't like character bashing, does that really warrant a TW?

I'm curious about TW on places like kink memes, which to me seem like places where you're more likely to find triggering stuff so it's a little like Buyer Beware. But then, I'm not triggered by anything and I think that avoidance probably isn't very helpful so I'm not really the target for TWs.

Do you think certain places can get away without TWs just by the nature of what they are?

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

Character bashing: no.

Can certain places get away with things: yes, if it's clear to everyone from the get-go that certain topics will be in almost every fic or comment thread. If you have an archive for ravishment fantasy fic called "Ravishment Fantasy Fics R Us" then someone complains about dubcon you have the right to lol

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

I think like 80% of places can get away without TWs. It isn't anyone's job to trigger warn. It is someone with a trigger to look out for themselves.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[morieris]

I don't find anything wrong with it so if people aren't interested in a topic, they can read the TW and just keep rolling. Re: Kink Memes.

I did once see tw: john smith basing on a Pocahontas set on tumblr....that was needless.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

i find this really funny given the thread immediately below this

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

I think we can now accept that trigger warnings are essentially meaningless. Even when they are technically used correctly, they are still so overly broadly applied as to render them devoid of any actual information.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[kaijinscendre]

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I still think that post was the death knell for trigger warnings ever being taken seriously again.

And I say that as someone with a very severe anxiety disorder that does have several specific things that set off lengthy panic attacks, but they're such generic and widespread things (usually health-related) that I couldn't ever imagine asking anyone to tag them for me.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

the idea of being triggered by space and motion is kind of amazing

i don't think it's exactly what they mean but i just love the idea of demanding a trigger warning for the entirety of spatiotemporal human existence as such

Re: Trigger Warnings

[dani_phantasma]

I hate character bashing with the passion of a thousand suns. But I wouldn't call it a trigger. Just something that's very irritating and immature.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[insanenoodlyguy]

I think if it doesn't involve rape, torture/guro or underage, you are generally on your own. Those things actually merit triggers, but if they are in a place's name, even that can be waved. And some places you just know what you are going to find (/d/)

Re: Trigger Warnings

[feotakahari]

I disagree with your choice of example, in that /d/ actually has limits on what it allows. /f/reakshow would be a better example of a place where trigger warnings are beside the point (and even there, the realistic horrors like anorexia are kept segregated from the more absurd and impossible fantasies.)

Re: Trigger Warnings

[insanenoodlyguy]

You might be right. Though on either of those no trigger warnings are necessary, you can and should expect to see some sick shit.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

I have no idea why they wouldn't just ask for a plain old-fashioned warning. Oh wait, yes I do. Because adding 'trigger' makes it sound more sensational, and makes them feel more justified in whining if you don't comply.

Not that I'm saying trigger warnings aren't a legitimate thing sometimes, but for character bashing? Not likely. 'Upsetting' or 'annoying' is not the same thing as 'triggering'.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't there a recent attempt to bring "squick" back as a term for the things that fall under the 'upsetting/annoying' category? When I first got into fandom (long ago) "squick" was the non-judgemental "this is not my thing" phrase when you wanted to avoid something that caused discomfort but didn't cause the sort of distress involved with triggering content.

And then I think SJWs jumped all over the idea and killed it dead for... some reason only know to themselves.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[pantasma]

Squick is a great word for these things.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

People call everything trigger warnings these days, when they really just mean warnings. It makes other people have a kneejerk "abloobloo not everything's a trigger how do u function in the real world!!!" reaction, which is irritating.

I think a niche kink meme can get away with more, but I think it's quite rude to not warn for stuff like non-con on general fandom kink memes. Also, warning for the kinks in your fill is half warning and half advertisement, so I'm not sure why people wouldn't want to. Saves you the trouble of people crawling up your ass for not warning, and might net you a few extra clicks.

I have no opinion on whether or not character bashing warrants a warning, as I refuse to believe that people still write character bashing fic.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[feotakahari]

I've gotten slammed HARD for writing knifeplay without a warning, and in retrospect, I kinda deserved it. Unless you're writing on a site that's specifically devoted to a single fetish, it's good form to note what fetishes you're using.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[darkmanifest]

A note before the fic telling people that there'll be character bashing is what I consider good fanfic etiquette no matter where you post it, but it's not necessary. It's certainly not what I'd call a trigger.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[caerbannog]

Not worth a trigger warning but a note saying it is taking place would be nice (depending on the character I may be more or less interested I'm clicking. Saves time. )

Re: Trigger Warnings

[(Anonymous)]

Yessss, but it would be either certain boards on 4chan [and the like] where you kind of just have to expect sick shit, or sites that are specifically devoted to things related to it. Ex. a site devoted to body horror probably wouldn't need warnings for that.

That said, kink memes/fandom spaces? It'd be good form to warn for things like character bashing, but idk of that's really a trigger warning so much as a "Also has..."

Clarification

[(Anonymous)]

Just to clarify, whether or not there actually is character bashing is currently being debated. I don't know if that changes anything for any of you. The prompter said they weren't bashing and someone else has taken issue and said that they were bashing.

So, still need a note or warning (if not a trigger warning)?

In general, what about situations of interpretation? Like, it's easy to say that it's good etiquette to put a note, but what if the prompter didn't think the issue was there in the prompt but someone else sees that issue anyway?

Re: Clarification

[(Anonymous)]

Just from what you've said, it doesn't seem like it's an issue of etiquette. It seems like the problem is just bad writing.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[dahli]

That... doesn't... warrant... a trigger warning. I think TWs are being missused these days.

I think it's fine to put up TWs for things that deserve them like rape, abuse, etc. And I guess it's nice putting up warnings for certain things. Personally I don't like bad surprises in my fics. Like one time, I read a fic and it didn't warn anywhere about the verbal abuse at the end of the story, or at least until the author notes at the end saying "lol I just wanted to surpise u lol". I hate that kind of thing.

Anyway, back to your point, I think TWs are fine as long as they are being used as TWs, otherwise I think simple stuff like warnings at the beginning of the fic to know what you're getting yourself into (and if that's your kink) should be enough.

Re: Trigger Warnings

[pantasma]

It seems like people are getting "trigger warning" confused with "I don't like this thing that makes me uncomfortable/mad, and I don't want to encounter it anytime in my life, so you better tell me you're discussing/using a thing I don't like even if it wouldn't commonly trigger a flashback in someone, demmit". I know what triggers flashbacks/panic/whatever, and I avoid places where they might come up. Real life doesn't come with TWs. You figure yourself out and adjust.

I think most places get away without TWs, but college/university courses should be a place without trigger warnings. You should expect to be challenged and find discussion around very difficult topics. Hell, if you go into a history class, there are really tough topics that will come up -- history sucks, man.