[ SECRET POST #2998 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2998 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Archer, linked for cartoon nudity/sex]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #428.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The vast majority of fanfic is written just for fun, written by people who often just want to get the ideas out as quickly as possible. Why you think that would mesh well with any sort of assigned critical reading is beyond me.

[(Anonymous)]

mte

[(Anonymous)]

Because it's not wrong to expect things that are written for fun to still have some degree of quality. Why do you* want to write shit for fun? And if you do write absolute shit, it's still a good learning experience for people who are just learning to critique.

*General you, not you specifically.

[(Anonymous)]

Because for some people, creating fanwork isn't about quality, or improving at a skill. It's about sharing a love and connecting with a fandom they care about.

Or should every fandom have a minimum skill level test before people are allowed to join and express their passion for it now?

[(Anonymous)]

The students could (and should) have learned that in class. Not that I trust their prof -- also a student* -- to know anything about proper critique, but still.

*obviously not the brightest

[(Anonymous)]

The point is that because it's written for fun, the authors' top priority isn't finding out that it's shit? They just want to know people enjoyed it. There are easier and kinder ways to develop critiquing skills (or situations where everyone at least knows about it.)

[(Anonymous)]

I agree it's a good learning experience for those learning to critique.

But they could have gained the same benefits if they'd submitted their reviews to the class rather than posted them.

People learn to critique just fine by writing analyses of published works without feeling the need to email those essays to the authors.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit, didn't realize they were posted. My takeaway was that people just objected to the idea of using fanworks in a class like this without permission. Yeah posting that critique, especially if it;s a bunch of people harping on the same thing, can be cruel.

[(Anonymous)]

They posted their reviews to the fics themselves (at least on AO3, I don't know if any other archives were involved).

Writers only realized what was going on when several people had gotten these random reviews that usually started off with "I don't know what you're writing about but..." (which would red flag any fic writer to wonder why someone was reading their work in the first place then?) and the student who'd organized the whole thing admitted she'd 'assigned' these fanfics to her students to review for the class.

[(Anonymous)]

The icing on the cake is that the class was about kink fic.

[caerbannog]

...disturbing.

[(Anonymous)]

What, academic discussions of sexuality aren't allowed?

[(Anonymous)]

Okay that does sound kind of obnoxious. "I have no idea what you're writing about but I'm going to rip into it anyway."

Also tbh the "it's on the internet, you should expect people to complain if they don't like it" argument feels like the equivalent of "well she left the house in that tacky outfit, she had too expect someone would say something about it."

Which IMO is "self entitled' all on its own. "I have to look at it, so you should listen to my criticism about it. What? No you HAVE to take it"

Why do people think it's okay to act in obnoxious ways and wave their super special opinion around on the internet because 'it's the internet'. Congrats , you've just proved that when you have nothing to stop you or stand in your way, you become an obnoxious ass.

[were_lemur]

I did not realize that they were actually posting them to the authors.

That makes the whole kerfuluffle make a LOT of sense.

It's the difference between me and a friend quietly rolling our eyes at the way some random stranger dresses, and me going up to said stranger and saying "You might not realize it, but chartreuse doesn't do you any favors, and also you probably should reconsider the plaid leggings if you actually plan on going where other people can see you."

There was a reason why communities like GAFF (GodAwful FanFic, for those too young to remember, and oh dear, I'm about one step away from shaking my e-cane and telling those damn kids to get off my virtual lawn, aren't I?) had strict policies about NOT telling the original authors that they had been sporked.

Why would the teacher of the class even think that was a good idea?

[(Anonymous)]

It's not the same thing at all. You can't say that art people create is the same thing as what they're wearing on the street.

Have you actually read the reviews that were left? There was ONE troll and the rest were quite reasonable and mild, and the author got in a pissy fit about it, saying "it's fanfic custom not to leave any criticism unless solicited!" What? Since when has that been the rule?