[ SECRET POST #3002 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3002 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye/Transformers: Robots in Disguise]


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[Gary Barlow, Take That]


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[Sherlock Holmes]


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[Criminal Minds/Law and Order: SVU]


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[Gekkan shoujo Nozaki-kun]


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[Buffy the Vampire Slayer (episode: Prom Night)]


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[Breaking Bad]


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[Night Shift]


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[Neil Patrick Harris, Stephen Fry, Neil Gaiman, Stephen Colbert]


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[clockwise from bottom left: Dinosaur Comics, Romantically Apocalyptic, Homestuck, Nedroid, Sfeer Theory, Bite Me!]


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[Dragon Age]









Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 066 secrets from Secret Submission Post #429.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This has got to be a troll secret.

If it isn't. Well, then, I guess I don't see it as arrogant. I LOVE getting my fics ameripicked (I'm British). It is beyond awesome to me to learn about other cultures, even if that culture speaks the same language as me. I also dislike the idea of American readers being thrown out of the narrative by mistakes that are readily apparent to them. Mistakes that, unless horribly obvious (like people in Buffy going to Tescos), would not be apparent to other Brits.

To me, the idea that an author would not care 1) about at least trying to write accurately about the culture they're writing about, and 2) about members of their audience that would be thrown out of the narrative by their determination to be ignorant - British OR American. To me, THAT is arrogance.

[(Anonymous)]

SA Oh and I don't see how that effects translations. All good translations take culture setting into consideration. When I read books that have been translated from other languages, the best translations are always the ones that maintain the original cultural context but also provide explanation for them.

[sabotabby]

I saw Umberto Eco speak once and he talked about how his translations are never word-for-word but always aim to capture the right feel. He compared a literal translation of one of his passages to the published translation and the latter had much more to do with capturing the poetry of the language than anything else.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT That's awesome. I often wonder how well translations capture the original story. I've actually noticed in films (where I know both the spoken and subtitle language) that some translations do a similar thing to what you heard Umberto Eco talk about. Not word for word, but translated so as to retain the feeling of the scene.

I wish I was good at languages so I could read original books as well as the translations and judge for myself!

[sabotabby]

Oh, me too. Whenever I watch something with someone who speaks the original language, they always tell me about things that I'm missing or that have been mistranslated and it makes the experience way more enjoyable.

Actually, circling around to the original post, whenever I watch British things with my SO (who is British), he points out cultural references that I'd otherwise miss. I'm very much in favour of Britpicking/Americanpicking/improving linguistic and cultural accuracy in any writing, as it adds to the authenticity of the writing. I got to Canadianpick (is that a thing? Canuckpick?) something for someone and it was terribly exciting.

[(Anonymous)]

Whenever I watch something with someone who speaks the original language, they always tell me about things that I'm missing or that have been mistranslated

I love when that happens too. :)

whenever I watch British things with my SO (who is British), he points out cultural references that I'd otherwise miss.

Given how much media we share between our various countries, I think there's a tendency to think we already know enough about the world we're writing about. It's only when you get someone pointing out to you all the stuff you're missing that you realise how different such similar cultures can be!

That's another thing I don't understand about people not wanting to Ameri/Brit/Canuck(!)pick things. If I'm reading fic set in America or Canada and I come across something I don't immediately get - I love googling it. It's like a bonus lesson included in fic. And then, hey presto, I know something new!

Looking over these last few posts though, maybe I'm just a massive, massve geek. Hmmmm. :/
Is Canuckpicking (I only learnt that world

[(Anonymous)]

Ignore that last sentence. Obviously, it is time for me to go to bed.

Thanks for a lovely discussion, sabotabby!

*And yes, Canuck is a word I only learnt through fandom. If I hadn't been in Due South fandom, I'd never have learnt that phrase. :) Yay learning! (Such a dweeb)

[(Anonymous)]

Canuckpicking is an underappreciated talent.

I always find that correct use of the word 'Chesterfield' works well :-)

[sabotabby]

Given how much media we share between our various countries, I think there's a tendency to think we already know enough about the world we're writing about. It's only when you get someone pointing out to you all the stuff you're missing that you realise how different such similar cultures can be!

Exactly. I mean, I feel I know a lot about American and British culture because I grew up with American and British TV. But that doesn't mean that I can get 100% of the details right, or that input from people who actually live there aren't going to add all kinds of added depth to the setting.

And yes, also a massive geek. Nothing wrong with that at all.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I actual work in the translation feel and, general rule of thumb for translations* [at least any one whose good at the job] is to try to get as close they can to both the meaning of the word and cultural implications/unsaid meanings [ex. "issues" in English has a negative connotation to it that may very well not exist if you focus on just the meaning of the word without thinking about connotations.]

It's part of why most translators [again, who are any good at their job] really need a good handle of the languages their dealing with.

*This isn't the same as interpreting where you're basically trying to convey the meaning of what's being said in way that's quick and gets the important information [spoken and implied via tone, etc] across without being quite as accurate as translation.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see it as a troll, necessarily, but I do get the impression someone rubbed OP the wrong way. Which sucks, but -


To me, the idea that an author would not care 1) about at least trying to write accurately about the culture they're writing about, and 2) about members of their audience that would be thrown out of the narrative by their determination to be ignorant - British OR American.

This exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I guess it could be that. Which is sad, but yeah. Wilful ignorance is still wilful.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't see this secret as being a troll because I've come across this opinion before. Some can get furious at even the idea of writing in a language not their own, or worse, that others might be judging them for their refusal to even try.

People can get very defensively angry about their right to remain wilfully ignorant.

[(Anonymous)]

God, this comment makes me sad. :( If nothing else, that people have been burned somewhere by someone so badly that they will wilfully stunt their own learning and interest in the world.