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Depends on the lie. White lies, maybe. Straight up lying about skills you don't have, degrees you haven't earned, accomplishments that aren't yours, oh HELL NO. That can come back to bite you on the ass.

My dad would be totally cool about that, even stuff like lying about age or skills.

Idk about your country, but in mine it's literally illegal to ask someone their age in a job interview if they're between 18 and 65. So whenever they do (and oh, they do, and try to weasel around it with things like "may I ask" or "what was your grad year" etc.) I always lie to tell them exactly what they want to hear - older if it's a managerial/leadership position, younger if it's not - because even if they find out your real age later, for there to be any consequences they'd have to admit to breaking the law.

I used to not, but then one potential academic supervisor told me he didn't want me because I was "too old" for him (I was 26 at the time, because I'd done a dual degree and internships and taken a year off to help my family through an extremely difficult period) and ever since, fuck it. I'm exactly as old as you want me to be.

I don't put my birth date on my CV, and if you puzzle with my graduation dates I come out 4-5 years younger.

Do your employers ever ask? I've found that just about all of them do, even though - as I said - it's literally illegal. It blows my mind.

I've been asked twice or so, I think. Not sure if it's illegal here, though. Astoundingly, I have been asked the kids question.

I've never been asked the kids question yet, but I figure I just need to give it a couple of years. Even though it's also illegal to discriminate based on parental status. Hurray!

I mentioned because I know for a fact that's illegal here, too.

Well, honestly, in that case, fuck 'em. Don't lie about credentials because that can get you in legit trouble, but fudge, fudge away, and lie about everything else.

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/bitter, even though I did get hired by an even better supervisor later on ughhhh

Where I am, or at least in my profession, listing age/birthdate on a CV generally isn't done (and it looks weird when you do) but when I see a CV that leaves off graduation/degree completion dates, that immediately screams "I worry you'd think I'm too old." I really don't care about people's ages as long as they can physically do the work and won't get cranky and condescending about having younger co-workers or supervisors, so it irritates me when people get cagey about their age on a CV. It also makes the CV look incomplete and like you might be hiding other things and trying to make it harder to check if you really earned that degree or worked at that place.

Other professions may be different, so YMMV.

No, I think you misunderstood - I do put the graduation dates on. But the graduation dates without context would imply I'm younger than I am.

Well, that seems a little foolish to me, but I don't know your country's job market. In the U.S., lying about your qualifications and getting caught is a firing offense for most companies.

There's a lot of wiggle room though. What does "proficient" in Spanish or Microsoft Word mean? What does being "skilled at sewing" entitle? On soft things like that it's hard to catch someone out. Now, if you're telling specific lies like "Has a Masters in teaching" or "Passed the JLPT 2" you're right.

... I think a job that requires you to be proficient in Spanish is going to reveal very quickly if you're not actually fluent. I'm not sure it's that difficult to catch, unless the job never demands that you showcase your alleged skills and if the job doesn't call for it, why would an interviewee be lying about having said skills in the first place?

What is proficient though? What kind of vocabulary does that require? Even "fluent" is a subjective term that's not clearly defined. And unless you're completely lying, you may have a proficiency that's lower than the guy who was truthful about his skills, but still will allow you to do the job adequately.

And if "proficient" gets you an interview, and that guy's truthful or understated answer doesn't net him one, you'll be the one getting the job.

I think anon's point though is that they're probably going to test your skills during an interview so they'll have some idea of how good you are - and yes, those terms are subjective, but different employers will want different skill levels and they'll know what they're looking for.

THIS. I'm surprised at how many people are saying it's okay to lie on a resume. We've hired people who SHOULD have been able to do the job, based on what they said their qualifications were. Maybe they lied, and yes, they got hired, but they don't actually get to KEEP the job if they can't do it. It's just a lot of extra time and effort, you think you've hired a needed position, and then you have to get rid of them and start over because they didn't have the qualifications they claimed to.

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