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[Suzanne from Orange is the New Black]

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[Soul Caliber V]

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(Rick and Morty)

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[Love The Way You Lie - Eminem feat. Rihanna]

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[Bones]

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[WARNING for rape]

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[Eddie Murphy, Bill Cosby]

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13. [WARNING for incest/underage]

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I support euthanasia for children (in certain cases, obviously)

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Well they did ask controversial!

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Well, do keep in mind I live in a country where it's actually legal...though not uncontroversial, of course.

Well, that puts things in a different context. That 100% qualifies as a controversial opinion all right!

Have you ever read Active and Passive Euthanasia by James Rachels? I think euthanasia is wrong in the most shocking case he discusses (child can be saved but is unwanted), but I can definitely see why someone would support it in a case where no surgery is possible and the child will inevitably die.

Well, for me I'd definitely see it as something for terminally ill children who are chronically suffering - which, you know, do exist.

DA

I am the survivor of a passive euthanasia attempt, which is why I am absolutely against euthanasia of all forms. It's too easy to make a value judgement that could turn out to be completely wrong, like some doctors/nurses almost did to me. Yet here I am, several decades on, a taxpaying contributor to society. If my parents hadn't fought back against the system, society would have lost a contributing member.

I've made a similar argument in the past, anti-suicide based on a dying person who was talked out of suicide and recovered. The person I was arguing with questioned my point: what about the people who don't recover, and who die slowly in terrible pain? How much suffering is each potential life worth? I had no way to answer him.

I assume you mean if the children have terminal cancer or something, and not just "Jimmy keeps making C's....better have him put down." right? Right???

Yes, terminally ill kids, obviously.

Heh, all the shocked anons had me wondering if I was missing something ~~like white text saying "kill all the crotch droppings!" or something~~ :P.

I guess euthanasia for terminally ill kids is more controversial than I thought.

Euthanasia is pretty controversial in general, I'm pretty sure. I mean, assisted suicide came up in my state a couple years back, and NPR was getting filled with callers wanting to debate about it. It's a passionate subject.

I was just thrilled to have an issue I absolutely knew how I wanted to vote!

--Rogan

Uh... how would that work? I'm all in favor of euthanasia for adults, but that's when the patient makes the decision to end their life. Most laws agree that children aren't able to make those kinds of decisions for themselves and I'd feel a bit weird if the parents were the ones deciding.

Well, depending the age of the child, children CAN express the desire to die and/or not continue treatment.

Yes. But being able to express the desire is not quite the same thing as being capable of making a major impact decision. That's why many countries have age of consent laws, drinking laws, driving laws, military service criteria, etc. with age limits.

The trouble there is the same argument goes for making the major impact decision in the other direction - too. A child might also not understand what it means to go ahead with a hail mary treatment, that might just cause them to suffer and be in and out of hospitals to give them maybe " extra months.

I get why there are age of consent laws, but the reality is that with very sick kids you simply might not have the luxury.

*blinks and can't think of words*

I spent a lot of time at a children's hospital as a kid, and I want to agree with you, I just have no idea how it would work.

Actually spending time with terminally ill kids who continued to have painful surgeries and invasive medical intervention, I've seen children beg their parents to stop treatment and let them die. That said, I completely understand parents who want to keep trying medical options and hope for a miracle. I really do.

It's just all painful and there is no happy option.

I understand those parents, too, but on the other hand I also find it troublesome if that, at some point, becomes the opposite of what the child actually wants;

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