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Isn't that...more or less the point, seeing as how both women are part of the Rapunzel story.

Meryl Streep and that one song with dudes ripping off their shirts were the best part of that fucking movie.

Ah, Agony. Such a glorious song

Yes, lol. If only the movie ended at the wedding scene. But it just had to keep going and ruin everything good about it.

You have to watch the version of the show with Douglas Sills. Oh, the gloriousness..

THIS!!!... except... I'd miss the line, "I was raised to be charming, not sincere." Other than that, everything after the wedding was awful. I loved the movie up till then.

Or it had done the second act of the play justice, it defanged it, imo.

The play wouldn't work with the first act alone though, it'd stop being a deconstruction at that point... But so much was cut down (I think partly cause Disney was afraid of hurting the Princess brand), and weakened that the second act lost it's punch.

Edited 2015-05-28 04:46 (UTC)

I've never seen the play, but I feel I should because I like the concept, but the second act killed all the positive feelings I had about the first. I almost feel like it couldn't be translated to film at all, because it felt like the second act was a completely different film and was divorced from the first. It was jarring and, while I get it was supposed to be a deconstruction, it felt more like an kind of ass-pull in the film.

And, don't even get me started on the slut-shaminess of the mother character's death... I don't know how that came across in the play, but it pissed me off in the movie. (The woman who played by Anna Kendrick, I believe, who kissed the prince and then died.)

Edited 2015-05-28 05:17 (UTC)

Well the thing is a lot more characters die in the play than in the movie. It's never been confirmed by the playwrights, but a lot of people read it as being about the AIDS epidemic, and a huge part of it that it's very random who lives who who dies it's not about being deserving of death or undeserving. So while, if you believe the aids allegory idea, the mother probably did die because she had sex with very promiscuous man, she is not alone (no one is alone!). It seemed less a punishment, given everyone else who dies

There's lot of elements that got cut from the movie that help make the two acts feel more cohesive in the play, (for example there is a reprise of that Agony song you liked where the Princes are now eyeing Sleeping Beauty, and Snow White because they've lost interest in their current wives), but the first act being a complete, "play," or "movie," unto itself is kind of the point. When I first saw it staged, I didn't know going in that it was a two act play and was surprised when the narrator blurted out the words, "to be continued," during the "Ever After," song.

TL;DR as someone who adores the play I found the second half of the movie to be quite unbearable, and would recommend checking out DVD of the play (of course if it's being staged near you, that's even better!)

Edited 2015-05-28 05:40 (UTC)

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seconded 1000%

I've seen people say that the Tangled version of the Witch was heavily inspired by the Into the Woods version of the Witch, and I do buy that tbh.

I definitely thought that the first time I watched Into the Woods. But I do think that Mother Gothel is more "evil," whereas the witch from Into the Woods has something more complicated going on, whether it excuses her actions or not (and I don't think it does).

This sounds as if you're saying Rapunzel and her stepmom reminded you of Rapunzel and her stepmom. Tell us more, since it likely isn't that simple?

But people sympathize with the witch and not with Gothel.

The original Grimm story doesn't really have much in the way of character development or motivation, so it wouldn't surprise me if Fogelman was building on Sondheim/Lapine.

I would argue that, at least to begin with, ItW-witch is actually motivated by protecting her daughter - I always read her as having some old trauma, mostly because of that part where she says, 'Princes wait there in the world, it's true/Princes yes, but wolves and humans too'.
Gothel, on the other hand, just wanted to stay young forever, and maybe started to like Rapunzel a little bit, right up to the point where she ran off at least.

Gothel never loved her in Tangled, she loved the hair that kept her young. The Witch in Into the Woods actually loved the girl and saw her as a daughter.

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That's debatable and depends on how you define love. I think at very least Gothel was fond of her, if she only cared about her hair she would just keep her locked in a dungeon and not go out of her way to get her gifts and such. I personally did feel that Gothel cared for her to some extent but not to the extent that she cared about her hair and what Rapunzel could do for her.

I feel like Gothel viewed her more as a pet than a daughter, and not a beloved, "think of you as my child" type of pet.

The Witch definitely seems to really love Rapunzel, though in a possessive way that is ultimately unhealthy.

Except that keeping Rapunzel locked up meant that the girl might try to cut off her own hair.

It looks like there's a spider on Gothel's forehead. (I know there's not.)

One of the reasons? What are the others?

Donna Murphy (the voice of Mother Gothel) has actually played The Witch in a special production of Into The Woods in Central Park. So if you want to hear Mother Gothel sing "Stay With Me", here ya go:

Part 1: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k2Kip4pfDPxArH8nAA7
Part 2: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k5O8P89ezvHL7X8nAAE
Part 3: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6pkKoVcRIULoq8nAB4
Part 4: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4hyEwzkCrBxGO8nDGq

(Not my links, found 'em on tumblr.

Their personalities are totally different though?