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fandomsecrets2008-01-21 06:23 pm
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[ SECRET POST #381 ]
⌈ Secret Post #381 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 200 secrets from Secret Submission Post #055.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 2 ] not!secrets, [ 1 2 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] too big, [ 1 ] personal attack.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Tuesday, January 22nd, 2008.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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14. IAWTC, on a related note.
28. Yes, if someone defends their hobbies, they are just covering for their addictions, because that's what addicts do when you accuse them of being addicts. gg, that's not circular at all.
I happen to play WoW, have a life, have a job, have friends, and don't abuse any of them. Maybe if those people had more self-control and will-power, their lives and relationships wouldn't have gone down the drain because of a game that is essentially a timesink?
Oh, wait, but I'm just an addict, what do I know.
34. Blood elves are hotter than those goddamn night elves, but I'll still take tauren any day. The only reason I have a blood elf is to RP a blood elf who falls for a troll. La~
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(Anonymous) 2008-01-22 12:12 am (UTC)(link)Or else you're getting all bitchy like this because you ARE spending too much time playing that game and not enough time living your own life? However it goes, you're just coming off as an asshat.
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But you just ruined any credibility I was willing to give you by accusing me of being an addict because lol I didn't agree that WoW is soul-crushing. Sorry, honey, you're looking at someone who has a life and a WoW account.
Frankly, anyone willing to go off-the-bat accusing other people of ZOMG ADDICTION!! denial? ADDICTION!! disagreement? ADDICTION!! probably needs some help learning about how grown-up people accept responsibility for their actions.
Not OP
(Anonymous) 2008-01-22 01:19 am (UTC)(link)28, 34.
If someone has no self-control, like you said, yeah, they'll probably get addicted, but for regular people, it's JUST A GAME. It's something to do for fun.
I met a ton of neat real life friends because of WoW, and *shock* most of us are university students or we hold down steady jobs.
34. Aw, Blood Elves and Trolls are cute together. I like orc ladies and elf men, but I'm odd like that.
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I avoid it like the plague because I have an addictive personality. I would love to play--it sounds like the sort of thing I used to dream about having when I was younger. But I know myself well enough to know that if I pick up something of that sort (or any game like that), that it will take over my life.
I know the poster, and I know some of the people they're talking about. And we can't bring it up to them, and it's kind of sad to watch. And for my part, I've seen a couple of my own friends completely fail at life because they have to make that next level. I've also met a few people who are responsible, married, holding down a job, and a social life, and still very much enjoy slaying things with their elf mage. It's just for every person I know like that, I know another one who just can't get themselves together because they have to play that game.
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I understand that addiction certainly does happen, and it's a horrible thing, but you can't just lump a group of 8 million + people into the same group because of it. .
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No. No it doesn't. And it's not a generalization. A generalization would be "THIS GAME ALWAYS RUINS LIVES" or "THIS GAME RUINS EVERY LIFE IT TOUCHES." The statement is a simple "THIS GAME RUINS LIVES" which, if you look at many of the comments replying to it, is true. It does not ruin the live of everyone who plays it, but it does ruin lives, and that's the only statement the secret made.
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Yes, they site personal experiences, but the main message is that the game ruins lives.
Video games have been under fire since Pong, and it's become aggravating to the average gamer that every time an individual does something stupid, the entire community takes the fall for it. It used to be Everquest, Tetris, DOOM, Grand Theft Auto and even the Sims. Now it's WoW.
I'm not saying the game doesn't ruin lives, but it's not the game's fault it happens. People need to take more personal responsibly, and if the friends are concerned with their behavior, then maybe there needs to be an intervention. It's not impossible to help someone out of addiction. It's not easy either, but not impossible.
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I played WoW almost every day for months; I was in a raiding guild and never missed a raid. But I also graduated from college magna cum laude as a double major, and I went on to go to graduate school full time while holding down a part-time job, all while playing WoW. I never got in trouble academically, professionally, or socially. And I am not a person who has a lot of will-power! But I know how to, you know, balance my life.
Granted, it helps if your friends aren't shrieking about your addiction whenever you hang out with them. I can see how that might result in some of your relationships failing. :P
I think orc guys are so incredibly cute. XD "Lady, since the first time I saw you, I... honestly did not think I would get this far."
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I know for a while my spouse was showing signs of getting addicted, but you know what I did? OMG I talked to him! I told him my concerns, but I wasn't freaking out at him about it. Yeah, he got defensive at first, but he understood why I was worried, and now he's way better at moderating his game time. Now we're all happy!
Blaming the game is the easy way out. I bet 20 years ago people were saying the same thing about Mario Bros, and Tetris being addictive. Different time, different scapegoat.
They ARE! Orcs are so unappreciated =(
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For every five people I know who play WoW, I know at LEAST one more who genuinely has a problem.
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I am 100% aware that people have thrown away their lives on WoW. But there are people who overindulge in everything -- not just EVIL things like gambling or drinking, but even innocent healthy things like sport or appreciating pretty hair. All I'm saying is that I think in the case of WoW, those people, and the people around them, need to accept that it's a problem in them as much as in the game.
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Interpretation is subjective, and I haven't seen anything in the secrets or the rest of her signed comments that implies she means every single person that plays the game. Furthermore, her logic fails only when used as a test for determining addiction. She is fundamentally right that if you asked someone already truly addicted, they would deny it.
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While I totally acknowledge that it probably wasn't her intent to insinuate that WoW forces everyone who comes into contact with it to do evil, my initial comment was simply speaking my mind in reaction to what I read. Even if not hers, it is, unfortunately, a commonly-held opinion. :\
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(Anonymous) 2008-01-22 01:27 am (UTC)(link)Re: 12, 14, 28, 34
Although for the record, I think saying "This game ruins lives" is a little dramatic if you're claiming that actually, this person had some willpower problems to begin with, but whatever THIS GAME RUINS LIVES. The game didn't force anyone to beat their wife or neglect their jobs until they got fired; heck, Blizzard gets the same fee whether you play five hours a week or forty-five. All WoW is is a timesink, something that does go on interminably and never runs out of replay value, and if someone don't have the willpower to say, "Okay, I'm done with this now, there are responsible things I have to do," then that person is going to be in trouble.
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(Anonymous) 2008-01-22 02:33 am (UTC)(link)WoW -- and any agent in an addiction -- cannot be blamed for everything, but I do think that the nature of the game contributes largely to the problem. There are many other games of its type, but WoW is the chief offender - why? Because it's the time investment needed in order to get any sense of satisfaction is excessive? Because it has no end? Because it saddles people with a sense of responsibility toward irrelevant things (becoming leader or whatever)? Any of those factor, if mitigated, might greatly reduce the detrimental effect, who knows. It's true, lack of self-control and addictive tendencies are people's downfall, but people are also more likely become addicted to highly addictive things, and that's an argument you can make for many different types of addiction, at varying degrees.
In the end, it comes down to how you view the situation. I do think the OP is exaggerating and slightly overemotional, but if you've been personally affected by the life-ruining power of WoW (weak-willed friends and all), it's not supernatural to want to yell, "I wish this fucking game never existed."
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Wow, I missed that part too. Maybe because I actually know at least one of the people the poster is talking about and I know that that person is on the road to addiction (and has a relatively addictive personality), and we can't actually confront her about it, so we just get to watch it get worse.
She said the game ruins lives. This is true. Just take a look at a lot of the comments about that post. She said she can't confront the people she knows who play it; likely the people she's talking about are addicts. Why confront someone who plays it normally but isn't obsessed and doesn't talk about it constantly. I think you guys are either being crazy-oversensitive, or just delibrately trying to be insulted because it was a negative post about something you like.
The game isn't 100% responsible, but it's the vehicle for addiction, just like alcohol or gambling or television or sex or any other addiction. All of those things, without moderation, ruin lives.
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