[ SECRET POST #3076 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3076 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

Is this an okay place to ask about the famous Red Letter Media review? I guess I'm doing it either way.

I heard so much about how great it was and how insightful the guy behind it is in explaining all the reasons people don't like the movie but couldn't quite figure out themselves. And then I tried to watch it and couldn't make it through the first ten minutes. So okay, it's just not my thing.

But one of the few arguments made in the video that I actually saw and have seen others repeat has never made sense to me. The argument about how there's no main character. So what? Does he elaborate on that in the parts that I didn't watch? He didn't in the part I saw and whenever I see people repeat the argument all they do is make that one simple statement and act like that's a criticism in itself. I don't understand why it should be. Why can't we have a movie without a main character? It's unusual but I don't see why it's inherently bad. You could argue that this film didn't do it well and that would be fair, but I don't understand the way the argument was presented here.

[(Anonymous)]

He explicitly says that it's fine to have a movie without a protagonist. He thinks that it doesn't work in this movie, and in particular, that the lack of a protagonist contributes to a more general confusion in the storyline which is a major project for the movie. And also, he thinks that Lucas isn't a good enough director to make a movie without a clear protagonist.

So, yes, he addresses your point.

[sarillia]

Okay, thank you. That's good. I should have watched again but honestly the possibility of critical responses here (not talking about yours) didn't bother me as much as the thought of dealing with that "haha he's keeping a woman prisoner" schtick again.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that stuff is embarrassing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeahhhh I remember being introduced to the Red Letter Media reviews by my friend group at the time (a bunch of guy nerds), and being really put-off by that part. I actually couldn't get through the review because it bothered me and I found it really creepy, but they were laughing about it and thought it was hilarious.

We've since drifted apart, but it still bothers me to this day. What is funny about that? I just don't understand.

[(Anonymous)]

You're not missing out.

I've seen all of the RedLetterMedia reviews multiple times and I find basically all of his arguments to be empty. You could EASILY rip apart the original trilogy the same way that you do the prequels.

I remember breaking down the reviews on TFN as to why they're full of shit. There's also a rebuttal against them that's really good.

The worst part about those reviews, though, is that people who hate the prequels just tell you to watch them instead of explaining why they themselves don't like the films. It's so intellectually lazy. And it's annoying because I HAVE watched them. Multiple times. And I still love the prequels.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that the fandom for them is frustrating.

That said, even for how annoying it is, I have to think it's still an improvement. Because before, it was just "FUCK JAR JAR, RUINED MY CHILDHOOD, WORST MOVIES EVER" on loop. And even as someone who's not a fan of the prequels, that stuff was the absolute worst. Even if you disagree with their reasons, at least the RLM stuff is able to actually make substantive criticisms of the film. That's legitimately a huge improvement over where the discourse was before.

[(Anonymous)]

It is better than the over-the-top emotional tripe but I just get so frustrated because when people find out I like the prequels they ALWAYS present me with the RLM reviews as though they're going to blow my mind.

And it's like DUDE. NO. I've probably seen those reviews more times than you. I've freaking dissected them.

Plus, I honestly dislike the people who made those reviews because they're CONSTANTLY slamming George Lucas on ridiculous grounds -- such as by saying that people were scared of him -- based on zero evidence.

[(Anonymous)]

No, again, completely fair, I agree that it's still bad. Just... Jesus, does Star Wars fandom set a low bar.

(Not sure how I feel about the George Lucas stuff - I think there probably is evidence for saying he's not a fantastic manager of large projects and to assign a lot of responsibility for the prequels to him specifically. Is a lot of the criticism over the top? Yeah, but a lot of that is the house style)

[fingalsanteater]

i like the prequels and the reviews! what do i do? i think the arguments the rlm reviews make are sound, for the most part, but i still enjoy 2 & 3 (tpm, not so much, though).