[ SECRET POST #3094 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3094 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I agree and can't like Superman for the same reasons

I want to like them both but neither are relatable to me, as almost all the personal issues they face are ones manufactured by outside factors as opposed to flaws of their own and generally end up not being their fault

The only way I can like characters like Batman is when the story remembers how fucked up Batman is and does nod to how his issues come from within himself and his inability to get over his parents' death. It's tedious and the guy is crazy for holding onto it for so long but at least it's a flaw in the genius rich amazing wonderful godmode

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand this, at all, and in general I honestly find good characters really fascinating and I think they can absolutely lead to compelling, even gripping, drama.

I mean, as a general rule, I would say that moral dilemmas are *most* interesting when the character who's dealing with them is basically good.

[(Anonymous)]

>all the personal issues they face are ones manufactured by outside factors as opposed to flaws of their own and generally end up not being their fault

That's my main annoyance

I'm not saying good characters can't make drama, they can make great drama. They don't have to be evil to do that. But they have to be able to make mistakes and fuck up and have things be their fault and have the story recognize it as opposed to put on them to make them the heroic victim all the time

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that they should be able to make mistakes.

But I guess my other point is that I think great drama can come from basically external things. Of course that doesn't mean they have to be the heroic victim, I think they have to have some agency, but I just don't agree that the central driver of the drama has to be some flaw which they possess.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I wasn't talking about drama though

I was talking about relatability, and how I can't relate to characters whose drama all comes from outside and is never their fault oh no

Drama existing is a totally different ball game

[(Anonymous)]

Oh fair enough then, everyone has different tastes and things they can relate to.

[philstar22]

Do you need to relate to characters to like them? There are lots of characters that I don't relate to at all but still like because I find them interesting.

Although, actually, I'd say if anything I relate more to Steve's niceness and his ptsd than I do to say Tony or Thor or Natasha.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have to, but the ones I listed I'd like to but I can't because they're too good at everything with "flaws" that are excused away by their canons

I would bet I'd like them as people. Just not as characters for the above reason

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't know why people say that about Steve, he's easily the most relatable character to me in the Avengers. Having very few loved ones and losing them early, that one hits me pretty hard.

[(Anonymous)]

Steve's a guy who always wants to do the right thing. Sure, a lot of us do, but the problem is that Steve has been put in a position where he has to back it up. He can't just live with the world being fucked up like the rest of us do, he has to get up every day and deal with the world as HIS PROBLEM.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. I find him to be a breath of fresh air. I'm actually tired of all these grimdark "heroes" we get all the time. Someone who tries to be a good persona is much more interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

I have that problem with Superman, but I totally love Steve. Though, thinking about it, I think it's more that I like him because of his relationships with the other characters (like Peggy, Bucky, Natasha, Sam), rather than just liking him on his own.

So I'm pretty sure that if his movies didn't have great side characters, I'd find him bland, too!