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I think it's perceived as liberal enough that most of the conservatives prefer to keep quiet and then everyone thinks there are fewer conservatives here than there really are.

But if they keep quiet, how do we know they are there?

I'm wondering how many users here would actually say, vote for one of the American Republican candidates currently out on the table. Like when push came to shove, they vote the Republican candidate. From my experience here, I hear a lot more "bah I hate all the candidates, Democrat or Republican" or people who say they are moderates, far more than I've ever heard anyone discussing their conservatism. I think it's happened a time or two but I really don't think it's been more than that.

I could be inflating the numbers in my mind but I've had lots of conversations with people who say they usually don't bother talking about these issues around here because they go against the accepted opinions but decided to join in on just the one discussion.

I've also had a sense for a long time that people underestimate the number of conservative people on the internet in general. That came from my fundie days years ago when I would pick up on things that people without my background might miss and then being surprised by people thinking there was no one like that in their community.

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I definitely have that sense, too, that there are more conservatives (however you want to define that term) people on the Internet than the liberals (however you want to define that term) would think. Given that a lot of liberals act like they think we are all WASP Westboro Baptist Bible-thumpers or smth

...a lot of people on FS wouldn't vote either, as we're not Americans.

Not an American either, but it seemed apparent to me that AYRT was using it as an example.

"I'm wondering how many users here would actually say, vote for one of the American Republican candidates"

I read 'say' in the above instance as 'for example'.

If the conservatives are too ashamed of their views to defend them, then they ought to be ashamed of those views period. It means they know they are in the wrong.

I don't think it's shame but simply not wanting to deal with the argument. I know liberals who keep quiet when they're surrounded by conservatives too.

some of us ARE ashamed.

Oh, bullshit. It's not shame, it's being "tired of getting dogpiled." Ain't no one got time for that.

You mean like when conservatives tried to make the word liberal a political insult, and called liberals unpatriotic? Yeah, can't imagine how conservatives bear it. They are in the wrong, and know it. Hence the suppression tactics towards liberals and the screaming tantrums and counterclaims when it doesn't work.

DA

That's not conservative, though, that's just crazycakes. And the mud-slinging isn't as one-sided as you're making it out to be, anon.

Or when liberals define anyone who dissents from whatever the Correct Flavor of the Day is as a racist sexist homophobe in an effort to stifle debate?

Well, congratulations. Enjoy your echo chamber.

When you dismiss human rights under catch phrases like Flavour of the day you can't expect anyone to take you seriously.

and if you think it's a "human right" to force someone to celebrate something that violates their deeply held religious beliefs, then I have a hard time taking you seriously.

Get back to me when you're defending the right of Westboro Baptist Church to make a gay print shop owner print their flyers and signs.

da

lol "force someone to celebrate something," is baking a cake forcing them to celebrate? odd that they would get into the cake-baking business if they don't like being "forced" to bake cakes for a living.

and you're an absolute idiot if you think those two cases are comparable. hint: hate speech is not a group protected by discrimination laws.

"free speech" is certainly protected.

And it's not just cake. It's photographers, it's caterers, it's florists, it's actual venues.

My question is, why would you want someone to bake a cake for you who was opposed to your marriage? Wouldn't you be afraid they'd spit in it or something?

Okay, I want you to understand this. We are not agreeing with you because we're ignoring you. We just think you are too dumb to debate with now. Okay, good.

Well, that didn't take long.

free speech is protected from government oppression. this is neither difficult nor complicated. free speech and its concepts have nothing to do with what a business chooses to do.

... yes, and all of those people have to do their jobs in-line with discrimination laws. a restaurant owner can't put a "no blacks" sign on his building, a scientist hiring an assistant can't say "no women, they're bad at math," and a bakery/florist/caterer/whomever cannot refuse a customer based on his or her sexual orientation.

that question is not relevant. I could ask the same if someone sued a restaurant with a "no blacks" sign, why would you want to eat at a restaurant that's run by a racist? the answer is: you don't, but what they're doing is illegal and they should suffer the consequences for violating the law.

Okay, so the gay print shop owner is engaged in discriminating against a customer for their religious viewpoint, and discrimination laws also apply to religion. You can't refuse to hire someone because they're a Jew, for example, or have a sign saying "no Muslims allowed."

So I guess WBC can sue that print shop owner.

a gay print shop owner would not be saying no to the customer because of their religion, but because of the message. so no. if it could be found that he routinely turns away all christian customers who want signs made for their church, that might be one thing. refusing to print signs with slurs or whatever other hateful speech on them is quite another, and falls under the right to refuse service in the "no shirt/no shoes" does.

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