[ SECRET POST #3125 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3125 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

well, in fairness, Japanese people are mostly really racist, so they're probably not the best judges

[(Anonymous)]

DA

racist or no, I think the people of the original culture are the best judges for whether their culture is being appropriated or not

[(Anonymous)]

but appropriation and racism are two different things (though sometimes related)

[(Anonymous)]

then racist or no, I think the people of the original culture are the best judges for whether their culture is being mocked or shamed or not

imagine the SJW outrage if a white people informed a black people they should be offended because white people know better than black people do about racis

oh wait. they do that. never mind, carry on, no wonder they think its fine

[(Anonymous)]

that's different though, black people mostly aren't racist

[(Anonymous)]

on the extreme offchance that you're a troll, you appear to know nothing about race relations besides the black white dichotomy

and on the much larger chance that you are a troll, im out peace

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but cultural appropriation in bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

The concept is not bullshit, it's just often utilized in a very black and white kind of way. Cultures merge and borrow, that's normal. But it's still in bad taste to wear something like a Native American war bonnet.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't get over this post.

"Japanese people are mostly really racist" is such a racist statement in and of itself that I'm still laughing.

Imagine someone saying "black people are mostly really racist, so they're probably not the best judges" or "the Roma are mostly really racist."

[(Anonymous)]

But the Japanese ARE really racist. Ask a Korean, they'll tell you.

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny because the Korean guy I worked with LOVED and admired the Japanese -- we bonded over our shared love of anime.

But when I mentioned having worked with a Chinese woman, he went on a rant about the "dirty Chinese."

Maybe don't generalize?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's the KOreans who are racist :O

[(Anonymous)]

classic victim blaming

[(Anonymous)]

all asians are racist lbr

[herpymcderp]

Ehhhhh they kinda are. Not in an intentional way (mostly) but in a very unaware of international social custom and what actually constitutes racism in other cultures way.

There's also a lot of culture that encourages xenophobia. It's not strictly racist, per se, but it definitely is an issue.

[(Anonymous)]

b-b-but poc can't be racist!

(adding fuel to this amusing fire)

[(Anonymous)]

Japanese people are white, though. What's the matter, don't you watch anime?

[(Anonymous)]

But most people who don't know much about other cultures don't know what actually constitutes racism in other cultures (that includes even the "enlightened" tumblr users that rant about racism in other countries without knowing about the culture there).

Blaming people of being racist only because of that is an issue itself imo.

[(Anonymous)]

Japanese are racist. Mostly to other Asians, though, not to white people as much. I have a pretty strong memory of when I was in university there (as an exchange student) and at some event some students did this skit that was basically just doing a caricature of Koreans and putting on a Korean accent. Everyone laughed. I think a lot more people would be cringing at that sort of thing in North America.

Some of the most overtly racist people I've ever met were Japanese. I worked at a Japanese restaurant (in Canada) and the owner would say such racist stuff in Japanese so customers couldn't understand. She would badmouth Chinese and Koreans and give special service to Japanese. We had a Korean guy working in the kitchen (he could speak okay Japanese) and he called like an hour or two before his shift one day saying he couldn't come because he was sick. That was not enough notice for her, apparently, and she fired him and talked shit about him to me... "Oh, because he's Korean."

It's exceedingly common for Korean Japanese, as second or third generation, to change their surnames to a Japanese one, because otherwise they will be openly be discriminated against by employers. Plus there's the whole thing where third generation Korean Japanese aren't even Japanese citizens, legally speaking, they're "special residents."

So yeah, Japan is pretty fucking racist.

[herpymcderp]

Well, I wasn't going to get into Japanese-Korean race relations since that's... well. A lot like you said, and would take a really, really long post to try to fully explain. It's even more complicated than a few paragraphs can really convey, but tl;dr Japanese people are genetically Korean and they hate being reminded of it.

Because, reasons. Many of those reasons are the same reasons they're xenophobic in general and have a lot to do with traditions about racial "purity" that have been essentially written into law.

But yes, there's real racism at work there, and not the innocent/ignorant kind I was mentioning that they display toward other cultures.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone not-Japanese who lived and worked in Japan for a while - the Japanese culture is rather racist. They weren't charging at me with pitchforks to chase me out of town or anything, but as a whole they're very condescending towards other cultures. Not necessarily mean-spirited, but in way that's dismissive of cultures that aren't Japanese.

[(Anonymous)]

As some one with the same background as you, but still living in Japan, I very much agree.

A lot of it is xenophobia. I'm American, but I don't think it'd fly in my home country some of the shit I've seen here. Renting an apartment? Better make sure you're not a dirty foreigner, because landlords will actually come out and tell you that's the reason why. Doesn't matter if you're a permanent resident.

Oh, speaking of permanent resident, I love the law that says all foreigners (as long as you look foreign) must present their resident card or passport to check in to a hotel. Forget about using other government approved ID like a drivers license or health insurance card.

Sorry, I'm. It attacking you. But man, it's nice to see someone who can relate.

[herpymcderp]

lol I lived there for about a year so that's pretty much true. There's institutionalized racism there in spades but I'm not totally sure it reflects the attitudes of the younger generation (like so many other things that are rapidly changing in Japan these days).

Japan is a strange place that way, where there's definitely racism at play but the vast majority of people aren't remotely malicious about it. Which is absolutely not the case with the other times I've experienced racism.

[(Anonymous)]

Another anon here. I live in Japan for three years, and am white American so am hesitant to say what is racist and what isn't. But I can say that, in some situations, foreigners are not exactly welcomed.

But I was denied several apartments when I lived in Japan. I was denied entry to three restaurants. I was randomly stopped by the police twice and asked to present ID. What really kills me is that hey, for all they knew, I could have been legally Japanese - I had a white co-worker who was, and relayed a funny(?) story about them trying to kick him out of a "Japanese only" onsen. And what would he do if he was stopped by the police and asked for ID in Japan? He wouldn't have legally had to show it, but they wouldn't know that, so he would get in trouble.

Anyway, this is not even mentioning the awkward questions and conversations, which I can to some extent forgive and blame on ignorance and cultural isolation. Though getting yelled at on the train for speaking English by old people (excuse me, "being too loud" when we were speaking fairly softly on an already loud train with Japanese people) definitely was inexcusable. As was my friend getting punched by a drunk Japanese guy for speaking English.

Overall I got the sense that Japan loves tourists and loves interacting with people internationally, but is VERY uncomfortable about those same international people actually living in Japan (as anything other than a student). I don't think everyone was like that at all, don't get me wrong. But the system is not designed for people to stay there long term, nor are people's attitudes. And hey, I figure, being a white person from an "acceptable" country, I probably had it better than most other foreigners, and I still wanted to break down and cry sometimes.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Don't go there. You will not win.