[ SECRET POST #3132 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3132 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 068 secrets from Secret Submission Post #448.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/FmrvLsm.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

...but they're a het couple? Is Marvel really so focused on slash that this couple appears more often in the background of slash rather than in het and gen? Geez.

[intrigueing]

Yep. Though Marvel comics fanfic wasn't even as broad as only slash. "Marvel slash" actually = Steve/Tony 99% of the time.

[cloudtrader]

Since the MCU, yeah, but prior to that, not really. There is a LOT of older, comics-only slash revolving around other pairings. Lots and lots of X-Men pairings. I remember a lot of Shatterstar/Richter and Iceman/Hank (or really, Iceman/anyone, including a lot of het ships... anyone else remember the (un)Frozen Archive?), the occasional Cyclops/Wolverine, Shadowcat/Magick...

[intrigueing]

I *was* talking pre-MCU comics fandom. I still saw 99% Steve/Tony in that.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I noticed that, too, and even now, Marvel comics slash is still heavily Steve/Tony. Which kinda sucks if you ship something else.

[cloudtrader]

The couple has a LOT of baggage. Like, A LOT. Like, HOLY SHIT A LOT to deal with. In Ultimate Marvel, Hank was very abusive to Janet, with textual evidence of hitting her.

But the big thing for most fans was in the late 1980's, where Hank Pym goes bad. He tries to stage a plan to puff himself up -- basically, to make himself look good in front of the other Avengers -- and when Janet discovers his plan, he hits her. She divorces him after that and he kind of drops out of the Marvel character scene for a decade. Later on they do some interesting stuff with him admitting culpability, getting therapy, working on the West Coast Avengers, and so on, but the couple has never been the same.

A lot of Marvel writers AND fanfic writers tend to write them as in an unhealthy relationship. That might be why you don't see them as the primary relationship in a lot of fics.

[(Anonymous)]

Ultimate Marvel DOESN'T COUNT. It's a PARALLEL UNIVERSE. No one brings in Ultimate Cap or Ultimate Iron Man characterization into their shipping.

[(Anonymous)]

You haven't been around Marvel fandom for very long, have you?

[(Anonymous)]

Well, all the images are 616, not Ultimates.

The storyline you mention was 1981, not the late 80's. I'm familiar with it. The situation is a lot more complex than most people describe; Jan uses Hank's break with reality to her own advantage, also, so they both make terrible, harmful actions towards each other.

They're certainly not always a healthy couple, but they are interesting to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Problem is, they always focused on Hank's actions so he became known as "wife beater" and not much else.

[(Anonymous)]

Late 1970's, you mean. By the late 1980's, Hank was in recovery and working with the West Coast team. But yeah, he disappeared for years after attempting to con the Avengers and being left by Jan.

(Ultimate Hank doesn't have "textual evidence of hitting her." He has a long scene of terrorizing her. But those are entirely different characters.)

[(Anonymous)]

If I remember correctly, the real reason Marvel depicted Hank hitting Jan was because of a misunderstanding between the writer and the penciler. I dunno why it was kept though. It did a lot of damage to Hank Pym as a character. (Yet Jan is the one who's now dead in 616...)

[(Anonymous)]

Unless she was killed off again very recently, then no, she's not dead anymore! They brought her back a year or two ago.

[(Anonymous)]

This takes me back to when I used to read old 616 Stony fic. Can't say I ship them myself though.

[(Anonymous)]

If you call it "Stony" you're not a real 616 Steve/Tony reader, because that term wasn't in use back then. The term "Stony" is an abomination, just like every single shipping namesmush except for McShep.

[(Anonymous)]

Namesmush is the one truth path and all others will be cleansed in the fire

[(Anonymous)]

Wrong-o, honeybunch. Pepperony is THE BEST namesmush EVER. What other ship is there where you can have your ship and eat it too? LOL

[(Anonymous)]

*eyeroll*

[(Anonymous)]

People who hit their wives don't deserve happy endings. In fiction and RL.

[(Anonymous)]

It was accidental. And, even if you don't believe that, it was not a pattern: a one time event during a mental break throughout a fifty year run of comics.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope, you hit a woman even once, that's it. No happy endings, your life is a living hell from now on.

Ant-Man spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

They're fictional. They're allowed a happy ending.

Not in the MCU, they're not...

Re: Ant-Man spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

At least MCU's Hank never had a chance to be a wife - beater.

Re: Ant-Man spoilers

[(Anonymous)]

He struck her accidentally. Once. In a comic where they've been a couple off and on for fifty years. This "wife beater" label is gross, especially considering it never gets applied to Reed Richards or Peter Parker, who have both done the same thing.