[ SECRET POST #3132 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3132 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[cloudtrader]

The couple has a LOT of baggage. Like, A LOT. Like, HOLY SHIT A LOT to deal with. In Ultimate Marvel, Hank was very abusive to Janet, with textual evidence of hitting her.

But the big thing for most fans was in the late 1980's, where Hank Pym goes bad. He tries to stage a plan to puff himself up -- basically, to make himself look good in front of the other Avengers -- and when Janet discovers his plan, he hits her. She divorces him after that and he kind of drops out of the Marvel character scene for a decade. Later on they do some interesting stuff with him admitting culpability, getting therapy, working on the West Coast Avengers, and so on, but the couple has never been the same.

A lot of Marvel writers AND fanfic writers tend to write them as in an unhealthy relationship. That might be why you don't see them as the primary relationship in a lot of fics.

[(Anonymous)]

Ultimate Marvel DOESN'T COUNT. It's a PARALLEL UNIVERSE. No one brings in Ultimate Cap or Ultimate Iron Man characterization into their shipping.

[(Anonymous)]

You haven't been around Marvel fandom for very long, have you?

[(Anonymous)]

Only since...2006, sweetie.

Ultimates Cap and Tony characterization do not usually get brought into 616 shipping stories.

[(Anonymous)]

That's not very long.

[(Anonymous)]

You should broaden your horizons, then. Because MCU fic has been inundated from Day 1 with disjointed bits and pieces from 616, Ultimates, and whatever else silly little teenage twits can get their hands on like it's an ice cream flavor of the month.

And yes, I know the movies are not the comics. But try telling those silly little teenage twits that! Lord knows they can't tag their fic worth shit.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, all the images are 616, not Ultimates.

The storyline you mention was 1981, not the late 80's. I'm familiar with it. The situation is a lot more complex than most people describe; Jan uses Hank's break with reality to her own advantage, also, so they both make terrible, harmful actions towards each other.

They're certainly not always a healthy couple, but they are interesting to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Problem is, they always focused on Hank's actions so he became known as "wife beater" and not much else.

[(Anonymous)]

Except there were several Avengers slash authors who wrote Hank and Jan sympathetically, and let them work through issues. He wasn't fully panned by fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

He seems to be mostly panned. I always hear about him being a wife beater and such. If it wasn't for his TV Tropes page, I wouldn't have found out until later that Jan also did some pretty manipulative things to him and that it wasn't a total one sided thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I'm talking about a specific set of fandom about six years ago. People used to write Hank in their Avengers team fic, and they wrote him mostly sympathetically.

[luxshine]

Hank was pretty much used sympathetically in fics and in the comics until... about two years before Ultimate MArvel started? Then I don't know who started the "Hank Pym, Wife Beater" meme in MArvel that resulted in Ultimate Hank, and then "Hank Pym, useless hero" that made him the scapegoat in Secret Invasion... And from then on, he has been really, realy maligned by writers and fandom alike.

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking Mark Millar, right?

[(Anonymous)]

Late 1970's, you mean. By the late 1980's, Hank was in recovery and working with the West Coast team. But yeah, he disappeared for years after attempting to con the Avengers and being left by Jan.

(Ultimate Hank doesn't have "textual evidence of hitting her." He has a long scene of terrorizing her. But those are entirely different characters.)

[(Anonymous)]

If I remember correctly, the real reason Marvel depicted Hank hitting Jan was because of a misunderstanding between the writer and the penciler. I dunno why it was kept though. It did a lot of damage to Hank Pym as a character. (Yet Jan is the one who's now dead in 616...)

[(Anonymous)]

Unless she was killed off again very recently, then no, she's not dead anymore! They brought her back a year or two ago.