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Mansplaining can also be talking over a woman's experience with sexism and saying why it wasn't really sexist. And that can absolutely be done by a woman.

Wouldn't that then be womansplaining

Or just plain dismissal

Isn't the key to mansplaining the fact that the explainer is a man and not in a position to ever understand, which is not true of the dismissive woman?

This. I think "mansplaining" is one of those dumb terms anyway well-suited for stupid internet arguments but not anything more serious than that, but here we go anyway. The point is that a man might be making assumptions about what is and isn't sexism, without having the experience of being a woman and therefore not empathizing with things he has never had to experience. That would just be untrue in the case of any woman.

No, it can't. Because that woman is not a man.

And furthermore, I find it rather problematic if women aren't allowed to discuss what constitutes sexism or not. If I make an outrageous claim about something I think happened to me because of sexism, and a woman said she didn't think it was because of sexism, it would be idiotic for me to say she's mansplaining simply because she disagreed.

Good God, thank you.

Earlier today I saw a news thing about how "office air conditioning is sexist. I thought it was ridiculous.

Just because someone can say something is sexism doesn't mean it's true. If someone gives me a bunch of troll logic on why something is sexism and I disagree i'm sure as fuck not "mansplaining".

well, office air conditioning is sexist in so far as it is apparently temperated to fit ( most) men's comfort, while never considering women's. it's something that should be considered. I just don't think people have to act offended about. just maybe keep it in mind and not just dismiss the opinion of the next woman complaining that she's always cold at work

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I'm a woman, and my comfort temperature is lower than the average person's... I'm always the one turning it down. Actually, I thought women could tend to take a little more cold than men due to more body fat.

well, according to the study anon above mentioned it's the other way around. of course it's never ALL women. There's plenty of things that don't apply to me that do to most other women, to, and for most of them, there are plenty of other things that don't apply to them that apply to most other women.
I, personally, tend to be cold when I sit still for more than 30 minutes.

But isn't saying that a woman who doesn't think something is sexist is just "mansplaining" talking over that woman's experience? I mean, this sounds an awful lot like policing women's behaviors and opinions, setting up ideas of what makes a Good Woman and a Bad Woman. A Good Woman has to have certain views and act in a certain way, otherwise she might as well be a man. Which is bullshit.

no, then it defeats the purpose of the entire term. the point of having the word "mansplaining" in the vernacular is that it's a convenient way of encapsulating how irritating it is for someone who doesn't have to experience institutionalized sexism to dismiss sexist things. it explicitly deals with an outsider telling a minority group they know more about their oppression than they do, and that requires the outsider not be a woman.

if you need to describe someone who is being dismissive of sexism, we have a word for that too– dismissive.

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