[ SECRET POST #3141 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3141 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 066 secrets from Secret Submission Post #449.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's so many fics about them being redeemable. Don't see how you got "fandom thinks they're irredeemable" when there are literal tropes around redeeming these guys.

[(Anonymous)]

Clearly you haven't looked at the tumblr tags for either of these characters.

[(Anonymous)]

It's 50/50 and a whole lot of sex. Have *you* looked at the tags?

[(Anonymous)]

what do you mean fandom isn't a hivemind

[(Anonymous)]

Don't know about the cartoon whatever, but the Harry Potter fandom is a fandom that is pretty much fine with a sixteen year old girl being facially scarred for life for telling the teacher about a school club that was against the rules (and may have been threatened into doing so). I'm pretty certain those guys are fine with calling someone irredeemable and attacking anyone who queries this. Despite one of the messages of the series being (supposedly, apart from the aforementioned facial scarring) to learn to let go of your high school grudges before they consume your life and you die horribly.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're eliding some relevant details in this case, but this is also clearly a fight you're devoted to so whatever

[(Anonymous)]

Details -

Evil headmistress takes over school. Refuses to actually teach Defense Against the Dark Arts

Harry starts a club to teach people how to defend themselves

Everyone in the club signed an oath saying that they would not tell about the club, with a magical punishment if they broke the oath

Girl breaks oath, gets punished, with pimples across her face that say the word "sneak", and some scarring

In theory, girl was worried about her mother's job, however Ron, who's father worked in the same capacity as girl's mother had the same fear, and still didn't say anything.

[(Anonymous)]

Hermione failed to mention the magical punishment, read the book. Informed consent is not Hermione's strong suit throughout the canon.

[diet_poison]

Was she scarred for life though? I mean we're talking about a world that has magical cures for just about everything including canon instances of characters using magic to alter things they don't like about their appearance e.g. Hermione's teeth

[(Anonymous)]

Rowling has implied that the scars are permanent, but she never made it explicit. I suppose it's possible that she later had them removed, but since she still had the blemishes two years after the fact, it seems unlikely. I would think that if she could have had them removed, she would have done so by then. I don't think her family or the school nurse would let her walk around like that if they could help it.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know why anyone takes the "snitch" scar so seriously. In canon it wasn't given nearly the seriousness it would have gotten if it had happened in real life. Like many things in HP it was just supposed to be a cartoonishly humorous part of the series' tone. Relax.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that facial scarring is a thing commonly used to humiliate and degrade women. It was a very unfortunate choice, and Rowling's subsequent post-canon pronouncements on it have made it much worse.

[(Anonymous)]

da

okay, but she also used scarring to humiliate the male characters. it's not a case of sexism.

[(Anonymous)]

Context. Scars on a man are often considered sexy, or at least showing character. Scars on a woman are used to degrade and humiliate. Context always matters, you troll.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but it seems that your issue here is that you want to lock in one specific contextual variable, and then utterly disregard all other context

[(Anonymous)]

Lol when have Harry Potter's scars EVER been considered sexy? His forehead one and the degrading one on his hand?

oh come on it's no fun when the troll calls you a troll...

[diet_poison]

this is not a good time to call someone a troll. Someone you disagree with isn't a troll. Stop watering down the word even more than it already is.

[(Anonymous)]

And that girl - I can't remember her name - has a popular redeemable post on tumblr and various meta discussion - again, highly received - around how shitty she was treated. And the only reason I'm not getting the links for you is because I don't have the data to go on tumblr app. But if you give as much of a shit as you're pretending, they're easily found. The In Defence Of meta by dirge without music is an easy example.

Love to break it to you, but tumblr ain't a hive mind. No one thinks what you're claiming be cause hardly anyone even remembers that scene about such a minor character. The only one who seems to be seriously claiming that some non existent hivemind thinks all characters are irredeemable is you and OP. You're so determined to play the morally right martyr that you're outright ignoring the fact a good portion of the fandom agrees with you. Redeemability is a giant trope across all these fandoms. A giant popular trope.

[(Anonymous)]

You're the one who needs to be told fandom isn't a hivemind. The OP is not claiming "everyone" says characters are irredeemable. OP is talking about the people in fandom who do say that. And they exist. There are lots of them. There are lots of people who love to write redemption stories, too. The secret isn't about those people. You seem to think everyone in fandom but the OP is all about the redemption.

The phrase "problematic fave" is popular because of perceived irredeemability. It comes from the pressure to flagellate yourself for liking flawed characters and make it clear that at least you know they're flawed and don't woobify or try to redeem them for being problematic.

[(Anonymous)]

"The OP is not claiming "everyone" says characters are irredeemable."

...when a fandom collectively decides...

Wrong-o.

[(Anonymous)]

mte lol

I'm pretty sure fandom has the OPPOSITE problem in regards to Draco. He is a woobie misunderstood baby. his fandom named the trope.

[(Anonymous)]

My exact reaction! I have no idea where OP got the ideaHP fandom was all sternly shunning Draco. If anything, it's the reverse.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeesh.

I remember reading the books as a bullied kid, and being so BAFFLED by how much the fandom loved Draco.

(I actually didn't really perceive the mutual Harry-Draco hatred thing specifically quite as bullying, it was too even-sided compared to my experiences. But Draco did bully other characters, and was generally a bigoted lil trashbag. I don't think he's irredeemable, and I enjoyed his character development in book six. But the overall fan reaction to him was definitely not *too judgemental*...)