[ SECRET POST #3153 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3153 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, Thramsey is as horrifying to many, which could explain it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's significantly worse than Thramsey, what is wrong with you?

[(Anonymous)]

Is it?

[(Anonymous)]

I agree, but that might be because Theon had two children murdered and a bunch of other people, and I kind of thought he deserved it. At the same time, Ramsay is such a monster, even I felt bad for Theon at the end.

Especially since the show used Ramsay to torture Sansa even more. Like gawd, someone poison this motherfucker already!

[(Anonymous)]

Cersei's done much worse for kicks and people still say that for her to walk naked was too much and that she didn't deserve it. But Theon deserves to have his penis cut off and tortured into insanity.

Double-standards, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

SA.

It might have made me uncomfortable to watch, but if anyone deserved that, it was Cersei.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you fucking serious?

Theon was tortured to the point where he became a different person.

[(Anonymous)]

How so? Ramsey tortured and mind broke Theon until he wasn't even the same person anymore.
How is that not horrifying?

[(Anonymous)]

NA, What exactly do you imagine rape does to women?

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure it doesn't turn them into Reeks.

[(Anonymous)]

I ship it. But then, most of my ships are fucked up.

Though lmao @ admitting that in today's fandom spaces.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably because she was graphically raped on screen. You can't even pretend it was anything but rape (like a lot of people do with more ~ambiguous~ situations). That would probably turn a lot of people that don't have straight up rape kinks off the ship.

[(Anonymous)]

It was actually a lot tamer than what I heard from people. At least it panned away so we didn't even see it. The part with Theon getting tortured for an extended amount of time made me a lot more uncomfortable.
It's kinda sad that there is this double standard that torture that results in mind breaking someone is not ranked as bad with some people.

Both rape and torture are equally disgusting and horrifying. I wouldn't ever ship Sansa or Theon with Ramsey.

[(Anonymous)]

Theon was more graphically raped, tortured, and dismembered on screen. A LOT more. Not gonna lie, I consider people who are fine with Theon's treatment but flounced out of the fandom at the Black Wedding to be total hypocrites.

[(Anonymous)]

The one rebuttal I have is that a primary point of contention was that they took a relatively minor character from the book and gave it to Sansa for the purpose of giving Theon angst. .

There wasn't much if any backlash over Cersei's walk as that was from the source.

[(Anonymous)]

"graphically raped on screen"

Did you actually watch the episode or are you just reading Tumblr cliffnotes?

Sansa was raped, there's no doubt about it, but we do not see it at all. Ramsay rips her dress from the back, we see no skin on skin, and the focus is on Theon while she gets taken.

I'm not saying it isn't rape, like you are likely to accuse me of for this defense. But you can't say she was "graphically raped" when she wasn't.

[bio_obscura]

I was definitely expecting them to become the new SanSan. I credit it to the fact that Ramsay is generic as fuck. Without the novelty of male!slash, it's impossible to give a damn about him.

[(Anonymous)]

Theon is not underage, is a misogynist, and did some fucked up shit, so I'm sure some shippers get a kind of schadenfreude over him being made into Ramsay's bitch. Sansa's just an innocent underage girl who doesn't deserve any of the stuff that happens to her, so shipping this is just excessively cruel.

Also some just prefer men being made submissive over the extremely trite and overdone alternative that you can find anywhere (50 Shades, for one).

[(Anonymous)]

...um. Kindly don't equate a taste for malesub dynamics with a taste for torture, rape, and dismemberment. It is neither accurate nor polite, and to casually toss it off like that speaks ill of your comprehension.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I enjoy male subs getting raped or tortured in fiction, so. You don't speak for everyone anymore than I do.

[(Anonymous)]

They both basically boil down to "sadistic psycho tortures victim", but if you're into that sort of thing, I think there's a lot more to go off with Theon? I mean, Ramsay spent months breaking Theon down and turning him into Reek. He's clearly very invested in the relationship in his own fucked up way. Whereas there's nothing to indicate that same level of involvement with Sansa; she seems to be just another plaything as far as Ramsay is concerned.