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⌈ Secret Post #3154 ⌋

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Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

While there is evidence leaning towards transgenderism (?) being the result of a brain-body map mismatch, there is no such body map re: race. Ergo, being transgender should be supported, as there is actual scientific evidence for how it works, and none of that would work re: different races.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/imp/jcs/2008/00000015/00000001/art00001

http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(07)00181-8/abstract?cc=y=

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22891037

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22364652

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Gender is a social construct. It's not biological.

Women aren't INHERENTLY better caretakers or more emotional -- that's social conditioning.

Similarly, men aren't inherently more stoic or logical.

Gender constructs have often emphasized this but there's no biological basis.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

gender roles are constructs, gender is not

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

So what are you saying then?

That men ARE inherently more logical? That women ARE inherently more nurturing and emotional?

And that's why we have gender roles -- because of course the more "naturally nurturing" women should be caretakers?

Because that's the only conclusion I can come to from what you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

NA No, that one's concept/conviction of gender, inner map of body, seems to be biological. Not how you ACT. Otherwise, we wouldn't get butch women (and PLEASE note that includes butch trans women, yes exist), and vice versa.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like you're purposely not getting this, but no.

It's the difference between identity and performance. The performance part, the part where men are supposed to be more logical and women are supposed to be more nurturing and emotional, is constructed. The identity part, the part where you "feel" like a man or a woman and you "feel" like you're in the right or wrong body, is not.

The best way I have seen it explained is by drawing an analogy to phantom limbs. So, if someone loses their leg, they still feel like it's there. The super simplified reason for this is that their brain is telling them they should have a limb there. Their "body map" says "this isn't empty space, it's your arm/leg!" Same thing with gender identity. Your "body map" says "you should have a vagina" or "you should have a penis," and if you happen to have the opposite, it's "this isn't a vagina, it's a penis!" Which fucks with you.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

But being more logical and being more nurturing and emotional are gender rolls - things we expect of people based on gender - not gender itself.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

no, in fact that's the opposite of what I'm saying. the stereotypes we apply to gender are completely superficial and societal-based. ie; women being more nurturing and men more logical. gender, that is, an intrinsic sense of your identity not reliant upon stereotypes, is not socially constructed, you are born with and develop it over your lifetime. the stereotypes that go along with gender are simply baggage that comes with that identity.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Gender is a social construct, sex is not, it's biological. For example, a transman needs to see a gynecologist for their overall health while they still possess the organs of a particular sex, though that sex doesn't match their gender identity.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree gender is a social construct, your identity is a part of you from the moment you're born.

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I know that's the mantra, but I find it annoying. Since when has gender meant "society's stereotypes of sex"? I'm a woman, who doesn't want kids, who does martial arts, who plays video games all night, who dresses like a "tomboy". Does that mean my gender isn't woman? No, of course not, I'm a woman, I'm feminine inherently because I identify as a woman. Gender is not stereotypes. It's an identity independent of "social construct". (and yes, I absolutely believe a trans person can have a certain gender identity, but I still don't see what that has to do with "social constructs")

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

thank you

Re: Unpopular Opinions

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I could see a case being made in terms of dysphoria or dysmorphia. "A person who desperately hates their physical features and is convinced they should look physically different" isn't anything new as far as psychology goes.

This isn't to say that the idea of being trans racial should be fully accepted as an identity, but I think a person who is, or genuinely believes they are, dysphoric or dysmorphic about their body in racial terms, could easily exist. What factors lead to it is up for debate, like you said.