[ SECRET POST #3161 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3161 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/2yzUdHL.jpg

[diet_poison]

The shitty choices bugged me way more than the Starchild himself.

Haven't heard the whole "broke the lore" thing though. /watches thread with interest

[(Anonymous)]

This is a completely dumb opinion that I haven't considered for more than a second, but I'm pretty sure the whole idea of 'breaking the lore' is going to be stupid in like 95% of cases.

[intrigueing]

What do you mean by "break the lore" and how did the Starchild do it?

/totally confused

[(Anonymous)]

What this anon said:
http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1273483.html?thread=858756235#cmt858756235

That's the argument people usually make.

[(Anonymous)]

What is this?

[elaminator]

Mass Effect (3)

[(Anonymous)]

You are wrong in the sense that the Reaper VI was a big dumb mess that undermined the Reapers' motivation.

You are right in the sense that the lore was already broken and worse could not be done to it - joining Cerberus in ME2 already did that.

[(Anonymous)]

But the only "motivation" the Reapers had before the reveal was wiping out organic civilizations because "that's what we do." They didn't have a coherent motivation before. It was just "that's the way it is, tough luck."

"That's the way it is because of this thing that happened eons ago" explains, it doesn't undermine.

[(Anonymous)]

They had a totally coherent motivation before: reproduce.

Then it turned out they were galactic AI police who went about their jobs in the dumbest way possible.

[(Anonymous)]

Reproduction was part of the motivation the Starchild gave. That was part of the reason for letting the civilizations evolve, so the Reapers could take the best aspects of them into themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

Er. No? That's not the sense I got, and I played recently. They were untouchable until Shepard. They had zero reason in their computer brains to WANT to reproduce.

[(Anonymous)]

And yet, that's exactly what they were doing: making more of themselves by assimilating entire civilizations.

What bothered me the most about it was that they'd spent millions of years harvesting so many people in the most violent, terrifying, wasteful way possible, and the sum total of the entire galaxy's intellect didn't once give them idea 'wait, why not make everyone cyborgs?' until Shepard rang their doorbell.

[(Anonymous)]

Is this from Arthur C. Clark? I've never read the books, but I've seen both 2001 and 2010 and I don't remember this shot. Also, in that the Starchid was there from the first one so... I don't know what this is.

[elaminator]

Nah, this is Mass Effect 3.

[elaminator]

To be perfectly honest that whole ending was so dissatisfying to me that I don't even want to give this any thought.

Like, I hate Starchild pretty hardcore, but I don't know if he 'broke the lore'. I just know I hate him and the reapers became a lot less interesting to me after we learned a bit more about them.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the odd man out in the fandom on this one. I was happy with the ending and it made perfect sense to me, which puts me at odds with, well, basically everyone. I also much prefer the Reapers having an actual purpose and not wiping out life "just cuz."

[anarchicq]

I got your back Anon. I came into Mass Effect late so I missed all the hate for the ending. I was genuinely agonizing over the choice. If it makes me stop and think about how my actions are going to effect my crewmates, then that means I enjoyed it, at least it left an impression.

I was wayyy more pissed about the ending of the Omega DLC.

[elaminator]

Didn't their reasons boil down to "We're culling you so you won't cull each other, and also we want to learn from you?"

I've played ME3 all the way through once. (Never got to the DLC though. If I had played on computer I probably would have.) The end is admittedly fuzzy, but I never had any desire to return to it.

You're cool, though. You're allowed to like unpopular things.

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I think it's a bit more complex than that. It was more that they had the realization that synthetics and oraganics inevitably clashed and only one would inevitably survived, potentially leading to great enough conflicts to destroy everything, IMO. So cull the organics because without them the synthetics will die, too, or never come to be!

Re: nayrt

[elaminator]

That's a bit better, imo. Not sure how much, but a bit, lol.

[frith_in_thorns]

I agree with you! I played it right when it came out (on my birthday! :D) and was really happy with the ending. Then I found out that apparently "everyone" hated it. And I was a bit confused, because I'd been hugely satisfied with it. *shrugs*

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I think the big thing is that people are used to the hero somehow pulling off happy endings and miracles, when the point was always that the best miracle we could hope for was survival. Shep was never going to live, and the endings weren't meant to be 100% happy or comfortable. It was about making hard decisions and deciding what was best for you.

Destruction forces you to genocide even unrelated races because it's blinded by it being pure unadulterated destruction. Control makes you just as bad as the Reapers because you're imposing your will PERMANENTLY on them. Synthesis has its problems, but it's also the closest you get to a happy ending because, well, you make it so the Reapers literally have no reason to pursue anything because not only did you make everything organic part synthetic, you made everything synthetic part organic!

Re: nayrt

[diet_poison]

I thought it was pretty likely that Shep would die, I just wish there was an option that allowed everyone else to be okay without feeling like a total asspull.

And in the end I think that's a big part of what differentiates those who liked the ending from those who didn't - whether or not synthesis felt like an asspull. To me it did.

I'm honestly happy for people who liked the ending though. I adore the ME trilogy and it would have been even more meaningful to me in the end if the ending had been satisfactory.

Re: nayrt

[frith_in_thorns]

Yes! Interestingly, I'd assumed pretty much by the time you left Earth in 3 that Shep was going to die at the end. It just had that sort of thematic feel to it, a tragedy backed by hope for the future. Just that restrained sadness throughout the whole game. With that in mind in my playthrough, the ending felt completely right and fitting to me.

Also I've not been able to bring myself to play any of the endings than Synthesis. I just can't.