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Rand Paul is actually fairly radical but it's the libertarian bent more than the social conservatism. If you don't like the Fuck-Yeah-America, you might like him because he doesn't believe that world problems should be our problems. But he's his own brand of crazy.

For sanity, not that I agree with him or think he'd make a good leader, Jeb Bush is pretty sane.

What you need to remember is that right now they're playing to a very small part of the American people. It's not even the whole Republican party. So, their rhetoric is going to be much more conservative and inflammatory. The pro-America sentiment you're upset with is going towards the people who are feeling alienated by the country moving in directions they don't like and they want it like the good old days. They want to reclaim the country the way they want it.

This is true. Both parties play towards the more extreme side during primaries. The problem is that the extremists the Republicans play to are more extreme. And tend to have more money whereas on the Democrat side those who have the money tend to be less extreme.

Nah, the money in the Republican primary goes to the establishment candidates, same as in the Dem. There's probably more money for radical candidates in the Republican race, but the moneybags candidates are consistently the establishment ones - this year, look at Walker and Bush in particular who have raised insane amounts of money.

But even the establishment is pretty far right, further right than the establishment democrats are left. Look at the Koch brothers. All of the things they are putting money into are pretty extreme right.

Walker is pretty out there in his own way. He's a wannabe tool for billionaires, in an extreme way.

I would argue that there are actually two Republican parties - those concerned with money and those concerned with conservatism. The people bank-rolling the Republicans with their billions want looser government regulations and less taxes for the wealthy. They couldn't give a flying fuck about conservatism. Many are socially liberal but they're concerned with money first and foremost.

But there aren't enough of these people to actually elect a president. So, they cater to the conservative wing of Americans.

Liberals have a similar dichotomy but I feel that liberal billionaires are often socially liberal as well as financially liberal so they can be more open in their desires. Liberals have their radicals too, who can be just as passionate as conservatives, but the eternal joke is that liberals cannot organize the way conservatives do to get their politicians to fear them the way conservatives fear their constituents.

It's kind of reversed between liberal radicals & conservative radicals. Which actually makes sense, in a way - the centrist, establishment position is combining social liberalism (or at least relative social liberalism) with pro-market, low-tax economic policies (or relatively so). So on the left, the radicals mostly agree with the social liberalism but want to reject the economic platform; on the right, the radicals are fine with the economic platform but want to burn down the social liberalism.

Yup. I've been watching, from the progressive side, the squee over Bernie Sanders. It's very reminiscent of Obama's 08 primary campaign, where he was much more progressive, and then once it went past primaries, we saw a lot more of the moderate (and even more once he became President). I expect to see a similar trajectory with Sanders, if he makes it past primaries, and I dearly hope the progressive response won't be "well, I'm just not going to vote because he's making too many concessions." A lot of people on BOTH sides don't seem to get that it's not hard line Democrats or Republicans that win the general election. It's the moderates. There's a LOT more of them, and that's part of why the Republican party is failing so hard. They're sticking to the extremes, and moderates are not gonna go for that, from either side.

I mean, ideally, that'd mean a third party candidate might have a shot, but it's a lot more likely that people just won't vote.

I did like Jeb Bush on the debate (speaking up about smoking weed in college was probably the best moment any of them had in the part I've seen) but from his answers he really doesn't sound like presidential material to me. I can't even point to a specific answer, but I just think "president? NOPE" about him.

Oh, I get that they're right now playing to the Republican base and saying things that will get them the nomination, but during a lot of the debate I was just staring at the screen appalled not just that there are people saying these things to get votes, but that there are actually people who will vote for candidates saying those things. I intellectually knew about the Republican stance on the USA's role in the world, but knowing it and seeing and hearing it in action are apparently two different things.

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Yeah, Jeb Bush has almost no chance of winning IMO, despite having the best starting position of any candidate.

The thing is he's just such a bad fucking candidate. It's honestly remarkable how bad he is.

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I agree about Bush not seeming presidential. I didn't see the debates but he's stumbled quite a bit lately on the campaign. I don't think his heart is in it necessarily.

If it's any consolation, the Republican party has a big problem attracting new blood. Many Americans are turned off by their language (more of the anti-women, anti-minority, anti-science than the pro-America stuff). There are a lot of predictions on our political news outlets that if they can't find some way to start appealing to a wider base, they'll never be able to elect a president. They even did their own report card on the last election to figure out went wrong and decided they absolutely had to be more appealing to hispanic voters (and now have promptly ignored their own report).

So, the people who are really invested in America being a dominant player in the world are probably a smaller portion than the debate would make it seem.

It would not surprise me a bit if Jeb is getting "encouragement" from Sr. and maybe Shrub to "continue on the Bush line" or some BS like that. I agree his heart doesn't seem to be in it, so he may just be doing enough to say, "Hey, I tried."

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