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So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Is Rand Paul the sane Republican choice? I've only seen a part of the debate but he seemed like the best choice of the bunch; for the part that I tuned in I actually agreed with a lot of what he said. But jfc does he need to shut up about that mother going to jail for getting her kid medical marijuana during the marijuana debate.

Trump also didn't do that bad a job. Compared to some of the other candidates he looked down-right good, even with his lack of knowledge to anything foreign affairs related.

That said, what really pissed me off as a non-American was the way everyone droned on and on about America having to be a World Leader(tm), how the world needs a strong leader and how OF COURSE America will once more become a World Leader(tm) once they are elected president. Uh, newsflash: the world does not want a leader. The world is made up of autonomous countries who, for the most part, would very much like for the USA to stay out of their business and all that World Leader(tm) prancing about is one of the main reason why a lot of the world doesn't like America as a country. It's also one of the reasons for why the world is in a big a mess as it is right now, but I guess that doesn't go over well with the Republican voters. AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Kasich and Paul are probably both sane people, albeit sane people with whom the majority of the posterbase on here would probably virulently disagree.

Anyway, yeah, non-interventionism does not go over well in American politics especially on the right. Not much you can do about that.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Rand Paul is actually fairly radical but it's the libertarian bent more than the social conservatism. If you don't like the Fuck-Yeah-America, you might like him because he doesn't believe that world problems should be our problems. But he's his own brand of crazy.

For sanity, not that I agree with him or think he'd make a good leader, Jeb Bush is pretty sane.

What you need to remember is that right now they're playing to a very small part of the American people. It's not even the whole Republican party. So, their rhetoric is going to be much more conservative and inflammatory. The pro-America sentiment you're upset with is going towards the people who are feeling alienated by the country moving in directions they don't like and they want it like the good old days. They want to reclaim the country the way they want it.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[philstar22]

This is true. Both parties play towards the more extreme side during primaries. The problem is that the extremists the Republicans play to are more extreme. And tend to have more money whereas on the Democrat side those who have the money tend to be less extreme.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, the money in the Republican primary goes to the establishment candidates, same as in the Dem. There's probably more money for radical candidates in the Republican race, but the moneybags candidates are consistently the establishment ones - this year, look at Walker and Bush in particular who have raised insane amounts of money.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

I would argue that there are actually two Republican parties - those concerned with money and those concerned with conservatism. The people bank-rolling the Republicans with their billions want looser government regulations and less taxes for the wealthy. They couldn't give a flying fuck about conservatism. Many are socially liberal but they're concerned with money first and foremost.

But there aren't enough of these people to actually elect a president. So, they cater to the conservative wing of Americans.

Liberals have a similar dichotomy but I feel that liberal billionaires are often socially liberal as well as financially liberal so they can be more open in their desires. Liberals have their radicals too, who can be just as passionate as conservatives, but the eternal joke is that liberals cannot organize the way conservatives do to get their politicians to fear them the way conservatives fear their constituents.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[elialshadowpine]

Yup. I've been watching, from the progressive side, the squee over Bernie Sanders. It's very reminiscent of Obama's 08 primary campaign, where he was much more progressive, and then once it went past primaries, we saw a lot more of the moderate (and even more once he became President). I expect to see a similar trajectory with Sanders, if he makes it past primaries, and I dearly hope the progressive response won't be "well, I'm just not going to vote because he's making too many concessions." A lot of people on BOTH sides don't seem to get that it's not hard line Democrats or Republicans that win the general election. It's the moderates. There's a LOT more of them, and that's part of why the Republican party is failing so hard. They're sticking to the extremes, and moderates are not gonna go for that, from either side.

I mean, ideally, that'd mean a third party candidate might have a shot, but it's a lot more likely that people just won't vote.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

I did like Jeb Bush on the debate (speaking up about smoking weed in college was probably the best moment any of them had in the part I've seen) but from his answers he really doesn't sound like presidential material to me. I can't even point to a specific answer, but I just think "president? NOPE" about him.

Oh, I get that they're right now playing to the Republican base and saying things that will get them the nomination, but during a lot of the debate I was just staring at the screen appalled not just that there are people saying these things to get votes, but that there are actually people who will vote for candidates saying those things. I intellectually knew about the Republican stance on the USA's role in the world, but knowing it and seeing and hearing it in action are apparently two different things.

^ OP

[(Anonymous)]

forgot to mention

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Jeb Bush has almost no chance of winning IMO, despite having the best starting position of any candidate.

The thing is he's just such a bad fucking candidate. It's honestly remarkable how bad he is.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT
I agree about Bush not seeming presidential. I didn't see the debates but he's stumbled quite a bit lately on the campaign. I don't think his heart is in it necessarily.

If it's any consolation, the Republican party has a big problem attracting new blood. Many Americans are turned off by their language (more of the anti-women, anti-minority, anti-science than the pro-America stuff). There are a lot of predictions on our political news outlets that if they can't find some way to start appealing to a wider base, they'll never be able to elect a president. They even did their own report card on the last election to figure out went wrong and decided they absolutely had to be more appealing to hispanic voters (and now have promptly ignored their own report).

So, the people who are really invested in America being a dominant player in the world are probably a smaller portion than the debate would make it seem.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[dethtoll]

Rand Paul and sane are two different things.

Kasich is probably the "if I had to pick one at gunpoint" vote, as he's shown he's willing to buck the party line in crucial areas (and therefore most all the regressives I know can't STAND him.) As an actual resident of the state he governs, I find that very sad.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I had to google Kasich because I didn't remember that name and I gotta say, that guy did not leave an impression on me. I remember being suprised to see a new face shortly before the end round; maybe it was bad timing on my part but I don't recall seeing him speak.

Re: OP

[dethtoll]

No, he was very quiet during the debate, which I think may have hurt him a bit. I'd expect to see more of him in the coming weeks to make up for that.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[philstar22]

I would vote for the worst Democrat candidate, someone I couldn't stand, just to help keep the Republicans out of office. They scare me that much.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

That is, I think, certainly the most common reason people make their votes for President in the US these days.

Our political system, not lookin' so good.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[dethtoll]

I'll vote for Mickey motherfucking Mouse before I ever vote for a Republican again.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I just can't go for a single one of the current Republican crop. Not a single one. They're saying a lot of the same stuff about the financial side of things that they've said before, so nothing's changed there, and with people like Huckabee or Santorum, their take on social issues is flat out terrifying.

I'm still trying to figure out how they can even claim to be the party of "limited government". That's the question I want a moderator to ask them sometime. Because if they're for all these restrictions and regulations in regards to immigration, and if they're all for defunding Planned Parenthood and putting more restrictions on women's health issues, and stuff like that, then that...is very much not the definition of "limited government interference".

(On a different note, not related to last night's debate itself, I also love how their argument when it comes to the gun control debate is always, "Regulations and restrictions won't stop people from buying guns or shooting people!". But apparently they seem to think that defunding Planned Parenthood and restricting women's ability to get an abortion will somehow stop women from having abortions, or stop doctors from performing them? Eh?)

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[feotakahari]

I'm surprised Fiorina gives so little of a shit about women's issues. I guess she wouldn't have gotten this far if she actually cared about women other than herself.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Her answer to the question of which woman to put on the ten dollar bill was such bullshit. Ugh.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

We don't use tens that much. If you want a woman on the money, put her on the twenty.

And the obvious choices are Harriet Tubman and Sojourner Truth. How is this even a question?

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

lol yep, that's the female republican MO

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Speaking as an American, I very much agree with your sentiments about the gung-ho, "AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" attitude. I find it tiring and obnoxious, too.

But considering we have people at Fox News having a conniption fit anytime Obama dares to-gasp-bow to a world leader when he meets them, because apparently by doing so he makes the presidency and the U.S. by extension look "weak" (not kidding, this is a legit belief of some people), and we have people who think daring to talk and negotiate with other countries is a sign of weakness, or who seem to think that if a politician isn't wearing a flag pin it means they aren't as patriotic or love America the way those who wear one are or do, well...

There's also the little fact that ever since Obama came into office our country's standing with the rest of the world has improved in a lot of ways, but the Republicans don't seem all that impressed by that fact, unfortunately.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't think he ought to bow to a world leader - to anyone. This is America. The whole point is that you don't have to bow to anyone.

Re: So, seen the Republican Nominee debate on CNN

[(Anonymous)]

I'm talking about when he's greeting them when he visits their country. And it's a small bow at that, just a slight bend of the waist. I don't see the issue.