[ SECRET POST #3180 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3180 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

10. [WARNING for rape]
http://i.imgur.com/wa4Afko.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's fair, though I'd have to know more about this movie to say whether I agree in this particular case.

Too often, people act as though rape is the one aspect of human experience that has no narrative use or value, which is obvious nonsense. Are a lot of rape scenes tasteless, unnecessary, or badly handled? Sure. Does that mean no rape scenes are ever narratively useful or interesting? Of course not.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I skimmed your comment on refresh, and seriously thought you were a fan of the film. It's Royal Space Force: Wings of Honneamise.

In my reading of the film's intent, it's about the complexity of experiencing life as a human, and how nothing is all good or all bad, and beautiful things can come from terrible things (the film juxtaposes a country's first attempt at space travel with the war the space race is causing - or vice versa?) and how the same drive which sends the main character to space is making him aimless and selfish. He tries it on with a friend because he knows he can get away with it, and then she blames herself, and it's never resolved.

I love that.

I don't feel like the film condones that or even wants you to like the main character very much. Maybe that's the problem the older critics have. That they want to like Shiro. Well, you shouldn't. He's just a person.

[(Anonymous)]

Unlikeable main characters are very hard to pull off IMO, especially in film. People normally want to root for the protagonist.

Also, how do you know which cut includes which?

I am curious about this movie now.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

The rating, I would assume - I'm from the UK, and the cut version (twenty seconds shorter, I think) is a PG, and uncut is like a 15 I think? If it's the rerelease for disc media you should be fine, but on VHS I think only the Italians got it uncut. If in doubt, Google the one you're thinking of watching.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Holy shit, I am SO embarrassed I didn't recognize that! I LOVE that movie, but I haven't rewatched it in a very long time since I lost my old copy.

And yes, that's totally a fair read on the subplot. (There's also that whole weird religious angle that makes no sense.) I think that's what I like about that movie too, apart from the visuals. It's about how, in the face of our being pointless, stupid creatures who do dumb things for crazy reasons and crazy things for dumb reasons, we can still achieve extraordinary greatness and beauty.

[(Anonymous)]

I like your interpretation but I do think there's kind of an inescapable tonal problem. The rape scene just doesn't fit with the, like, transcendent launch scene. It's not an insurmountable problem but there is an aesthetic tension to it, in my eyes.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. It seems like it's from a different movie. It's played well (I'm glad he doesn't complete the act) but it's jarring to me as a Westerner. I've been told that this makes more sense in Japan and other Eastern countries but I can't wrap my head around that.

The movie is still brilliant, but I totally chuck that scene out of my head or mentally replace it with a sudden love scene that's consensual and completely spontaneous.

[(Anonymous)]

...what is this?

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Royal Space Force: Wings of Honneamise.

[(Anonymous)]

(Not Anon Above)

Ahh. Why didn't I recognize this? I love Wings of Honneamise!

[(Anonymous)]

What is this a secret for?

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Royal Space Force: Wings of Honneamise.

[caerbannog]

whatever this is, that's a pretty background picture

[iceyred]

I know, right? Beautiful art.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

It's Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honneamise. The background image is from a shot where the main character looks up into a ceiling painted with a religious fresco.

It's actually kind of a grey and gritty film, but the art is very well thought-out, and I felt like this was a good image to illustrate my point without including anything from the debated scene.

[iceyred]

I'm not really a fan of stories that include rape, but I might check this out.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I'd be thrilled if more people got something out of it. :) The attempted rape is very brief, and abortive. The film lacks an emotional climax without it. Having watched the cut version recently, it's been on my mind. It's sort of a grimly optimistic film. I recommend it to everybody but warn them about the content.

[iceyred]

Putting it on my to-watch list.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but it's a fantastic movie, strongly recommended

[diet_poison]

Thanks! (Came down here to make a comment similar to Caerbannog's. Gonna Google this now)

[(Anonymous)]

Royal Space Force is a fantastic film.

It's set in an alternate world, which is making its first haltering steps towards space travel, and of the unlikely choice to become a potential astronaut. It's REALLY good.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm so happy there's a Honneamise secret here! I consider it one of the best films of all time. (And, yes, I know my classics of Hollywood and world film. Honneamise is in their ranks.)