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My mom caught Obama giving a speech about the shooting, and apparently he said that this was the FIFTEENTH time he had to make a speech about this sort of situation in the entire time he's been president.

Let's just let that fact sink in for a moment.

Anyone who honestly thinks the U.S. doesn't have a serious gun problem at this point, they're just plain stupid. I do not get how people aren't tired of this shit yet, or doing something by now. Do. Not. Get. It.

The conclusion has to be that, from the point of view of the majority of the people within this society, we don't have a gun problem.

Because - again - this is not some accident. This is the society we have chosen.

Oh, yeah, I agree this is symptomatic of some serious issues with our society itself. Let's discuss why it seems young men are the ones who tend to commit these mass shootings, for instance-something inherent in our society's attitudes about masculinity, for sure. And then we have people who are mentally ill and yet we're resistant to make the real changes that could get them the help they need.

Add easy access to guns into the mix and it's no wonder we're in the state we're in.

It's just depressing as hell that there doesn't seem to be some serious movement to change any of that, even if only slightly.

But what is the solution?

Better mental health services.

Better gun control. Teaching people to solve problems without violence. More access to proper care for those who are mentally ill. Better reading comprehension of what the Second Amendment actually states (or a retooling/rewording of it altogether, but good luck getting that to happen anytime soon).

Just a few suggestions to get us going.

My wish is a new amendment that codifies the majority's beliefs on gun rights so we can all stop arguing about what the Second Amendment actually means by citing this founding father's other writings vs that one's and how the sentence is structured and historical meaning of "militia". The amendment as written is clearly not serving our needs. I'm just so tired of how so much of the gun control discussion goes back to this one statement as if it's some kind of natural law that can't be changed. Even the anti-gun control people could be helped by an amendment that more clearly lays down their rights if the whole thing ended up preserving a right that is as broad as they think it is.

Completely agreed on all of this. I don't know how easy it'll be to make a new amendment that can contain all of that, but I'm certainly willing to go for it if the opportunity arises. At this point I'm desperate enough to try anything that could even remotely help fix this mess.

Improve the current registration database. Eliminate the gun show loophole. More stringent background checks and tracking. Mandatory gun safety classes. Further and much stricter limitations on weapons with high rate of fire and on magazine sizes (or clip or whichever fucking term has become a shibboleth for allowing you to have an opinion on this fucking issue).

A more cohesive caring society. Plus gun controls.

I dunno about a solution, exactly, but the idea of treating guns like cars does appeal--that is, you need to pass a licensing exam and then keep the license with the gun all the time. Registering individual guns so that the owner's/operator's license covers all the guns they own might help. Perhaps there could be a year long grace period for people who already own guns where they could get licensed and tested and their guns registered for free, especially since there's probably more than a few people out there who inherited their dad's hunting rifle that they use to put food on the table, or whatever, and would balk at paying a license fee because they're dirt poor. And ffs, figure out some way to track ammo. Someone might concievably collect guns they never intend to fire, or only shoot recreationally, but if they've got a huge stockpile of ammunition, then I'd get worried. I've heard proposals for gun insurance that works like car insurance, but I think they're a little disingenuous, because car insurance covers damage to the car, damage to other cars, and car-inflicted injury and death. If a car is used to injure or kill someone, it's a horrible accident. If a gun is used to injure or kill someone, it's doing what it's supposed to. It'd be like insuring an oven in case your food came out cooked.

I personally hate guns and wish a blanket ban was feasible, but I really, really hate the idea that calling for more regulation of gun ownership=the government is coming for our guns, oh the horror~

Educating men to better understand how they are supposed to fit into the world. This comes from men believing they are owed somthing and that they are not getting it. men need to be made to understand that they are owed nothing and that lashing out against women will not change that.

A big part of this education would be shutting down places like 4chan.

Actually, I would rather live in a society where everyone feels they are legitimately owed something - respect, healthcare, human rights, culture, identification. A society which highly values survival of the strongest/most savage without social cohesion leads to this kind of bullshit blend of male entitlement and alienation = tinder for the fire.

How would "banning" 4chan help? It's a symptom not a cause. Not that one jurisdiction can ban websites from the web, not effectively, and attempts to only increase alienation.

People are tired of this shit. We just can't do anything about it.
If I could vote for real gun control I would, and I don't know a single person who wouldn't. But there is literally nothing to be done.

The politicians we vote in just stalemate everything and make speeches instead of doing anything and a very vocal (likely insane) minority with a lot of money are rooting them on.

Sometimes it doesn't feel like it when I look at what some people post online after these events.

But I do like to ultimately think you're right that most Americans are tired of this mess. I just...there's got to be something we can do. I don't want to give up hope.

I think there was a poll or stats done not long ago showing that the majority of Americans DO want stricter gun control.

What you need to understand is that the American people do not have control over these issues. America is an oligarchy, not a democracy. Only the people in power can make those kinds of changes. And the people in power? Get millions of dollars from the NRA and other big corporations to do whatever the corporations want.

Until politicians stop accepting money from the NRA, they cannot act against its wishes.

it's not just the NRA to be clear

the other you have to take into effect is that many gun supporters are practically single-issue voters and deeply passionate about it, whereas gun control supporters are less focused, which means their views are not as politically important

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