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Okay: Morrissey, Steven Patrick. Singer, songwriter, now author. He's written well over a hundred songs by now, and maybe 75% of them have lyrics that coyly insinuate (or more) that the first-person POV of the songs is a gay man, and yet for decades he's said things like "unfortunately, i am not homosexual" and denied that his songs were about being gay.

I don't know the man, it's none of my business who he's attracted to, whatever.....but doesn't his long history of writing songs that imply that (at the very least) the frequent POV character of his songs is not straight , count, in the light if his repeated denials, as queerbaiting?

Honestly, this isn't even about Morrissey himself, or his private life. I'm 100% okay with him not being the "I" in his songs -- that "I" could easily be a fictional character. It would just...idk...mean a lot to me if he came out (har har) and said that many of his songs were written with a queer POV.

Basically, I, as a queer person myself, have always related to his songs because they speak to my own experience, and it bothers me that he's always been wishy-washy about what his songs are actually about.

Just wanted to throw this out there and hear your thoughts...

This dude started singing back when the motherfucking Pet Shop Boys had to be in the closet. I don't think he's doing it for the edgy faux queer attention.

Since when does Morrissey do ANYTHING for attention?

I think you're ignoring the context in which Morrissey first started singing, and I don't think he's changed his schtick.

There were openly out singers then, but it was the sort of thing that put you into gay club music on the one side or the women's festival circuit on the other.

For sure. The Smiths sure as hell weren't looking to pigeonhole themselves that way. Whether Morrissey has a non-normative sexuality or not, queerbaiting wouldn't have made sense in the 80s for the Smiths, and I don't think he's started doing it now.

Jimmy Somerville got a number one hit! That said you're still not entirely wrong. & it took a surprisingly amount of time for the Pet Shop Boys to come out.

I think it's fine for him to have his privacy.

That said I always assumed he was bi.

I don't think someone writing something from a POV of a person with a different sexuality than their own is queerbaiting. I don't know that much about Morrissey, but what little I've read about him he seems like a decent guy when it comes to queer issues.

Now, he could be straight, or gay and in the closet, or bisexual, but does it really matter OP? I think you could make more of a case for queerbaiting if he kept insisting the song was -definitely not- from a gay POV, but if he doesn't do that then it's not harmful.

My thoughts are that it's pretty cool that he's able to write songs that you relate to as a queer person, maybe what he, personally, was feeling when he wrote the song isn't as important as what you get out of it.

Edited 2015-10-02 00:18 (UTC)

I've heard he's asexual? I don't know anything about musicians though and don't care about their love life.
Imo, it's not. It's like 'Cecil is not dark skined enough here' (or Carlos, idk)

Could someone asexual write a song like How Soon Is Now? like they really mean it?

I don't know, are these guys drunken pirates?

Can authors really write about serial killers unless they actually kill someone? Like the really know how it feels?>

Ehh, that's a crap analogy. There's a lot of angst and longing in that song which always felt highly personal, ymmv.

I don't think that's a song that has to be fundamentally about sex.

Fair enough, I forget that ace =/= aro.

Is it straight-baiting for Fred Schneider to sing about cunnilingus?

this is why i suspect that the concepts of cultural appropriation and queerbaiting respectively are dangerous terrain because they lead to a sort of essentialism out of a defensive reflex. nobody wants to be accused of it, so better not do/say/like anything gay if you're straight, or somehow colored with a culture you're not part of. and best point out all the people who aren't as careful as you about it and call them out to be safe so people will know you're on the "right side".

idk. back when i was a young lesbian in the late 90s i was super happy about queer stuff, made by, and even aimed at straight people, and subtext even more, because I felt that I knew more than the hetero people, while they often didn't get it.

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