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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-10-06 07:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #3198 ]


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Transcript by OP

[personal profile] fscom 2015-10-06 11:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I HATE rap breakdowns in pop songs. They're so out of place and interupt the flow of whatever they get tossed into. I can't name a single song that it improves.

Katy Perry - E.T.? Better without Kanye
Beyonce - Crazy in Love? Better without Jay Z
Selena Gomez - Good for you? Better without ASAP Rocky
Pentatonix - Can't Sleep Love? Better without Tink

Why did this become a thing? It's always done so terribly? "Who's hot? Let's let them spit a few words in the middle of this song." No! If you're going to make the effort, at least fit it in there well, so it makes the song better, not so it's just there, like a turd in the middle of a bag of jellybeans.

Speech Bubble 1: Yes sir I'm cut from a different cloth
My texture is the best fur, of chinchilla

Speech Bubble 2: Rubbin' on my miniature
John Hancock, the signature

Speech Bubble 3: I'm tryna bathe my ape
In your mikly way

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-06 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah I would say 90 to one hundred percent terrible. I honestly think the theory is that dudes will be more likely to tolerate the song if it has a rap breakdown.

Also want to shout out Kendrick on Bad Blood, boy did that not work

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-06 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
IA. It's always right when you're really getting into it and it's distracting. It's not always bad, but I've also never really had the feeling that 'yes, that bit of rapping just made this song way better'.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-06 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
It depends a lot on the rapper in question with me. Kanye and Kendrick are pretty terrible as guest rapper but I don't really mind Nicky or ludacris

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-06 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
i guess listing pitbull was too obvious?

OP

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-06 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree entirely. I can't imagine that this was the artist's (or song writer's) vision every time and so at least some of these were probably the idea of a producer/label (especially since there may be a rap-free version on Youtube - I know there is one for E.T.)

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[personal profile] darkmanifest 2015-10-06 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, most times I don't like it, now and then I do. I'm happy so long as there's two versions of the song, with or without rap, so it's up to me which one I listen to. Hence, I have "E.T." without Kanye, but "Hurricane" (30 Second To Mars) with Kanye (mostly because he doesn't resort to hideously absurd rhymes in latter - "Pockets on shrek, rockets on deck/Tell me what's next? Alien sex" - Jesus, why would anybody greenlight that.)

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[personal profile] a_potato 2015-10-06 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, OP, I am so with you. With few exceptions, I'm always disappointed and annoyed when a pop song has a random rap verse.
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[personal profile] tcex28 2015-10-06 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
The upside of Jay-Z on Crazy in Love is that as a result, the moment when Beyonce returns has way more impact.

GOT ME LOOKIN
SO CRAZY
MY BABY
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[personal profile] dethtoll 2015-10-06 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Unfortunately you've hit the nail on the head. It's funny because there's been a trend of singing portions in hip hop and those tend to be way better.

All it really shows us, though, is how thoroughly intertwined hip hop culture is with pop music nowadays. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, even if the executions are bad.

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[personal profile] ketita 2015-10-06 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
I've gotten used to it with Kpop, I guess, but I don't really love it either. I'm trying to think of a song where the combination really works... Maybe in "I will get you" by FT Island? I like how it fits into the music, and I like it better with the rap bit than without it.

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh, I feel this way about the rap section in "Dark Horse" by Katy Perry. It's got an entirely different feel than the rest of the song, and I HATE the Jeffery Dahmer reference. Like, do you SERIOUSLY want those connotations in your song?

And I-tunes doesn't have a non-rap version, so that stinks too.

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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-10-07 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
I think it depends. It depends on how good the rapping is, how good the song is, whether the two go together, and whether the song originally had the rapping in it or it was added later. On one hand, I like the contrast. On the other hand, the contrast can be jarring.

Two examples:

Dark Horse by Katy Perry - when they play the radio version without the rapping I find it jarring. To me that's part of the song and it's not complete without it.

Uma Thurman by Fall Out Boy - heard a version recently that had rapping inserted that wasn't there. wtf??? I don't know, I haven't heard *that* much FOB but the rapping seems really out of place. It's not their style. And it felt very shoehorned in there.

So I guess to me it depends on the artist and whether it fits their style and the thing about whether it was part of the original song is a really big part of it for me too.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 01:23 am (UTC)(link)
Um, I hate to tell you this, OP, but "officially" rap breakdowns have been going on since at least the 80s, if not earlier.

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
These probably don't count, but they're good:

Alicia Keys ft. Kendrick Lamar: It's on Again
James Blake ft. Chance the Rapper: Life Round Here

and I'll agree with someone up on the threads:

Dark Horse--I like the rap
ET-- uncalled for, lol at darkmanifest's comments on Kanye's lines, because you're right.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Counterpoint: Nicki Minaj's breakdown is the best part of "Bang Bang"

Also, Ed Sheeran's own rapping is the best part of "Sing"

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(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 03:23 am (UTC)(link)
Wiz Khalifa & Charlie Puth in See You Again. The rap references the song's theme strongly. It's pretty good.

But mostly, OP, I agree with you.

Try listening to K-pop, OP

(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
It's extremely rare to find a song WITHOUT rap.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
it kills me when the rap section doesn't even relate to the rest of the song... which is a lot of the time.
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Not every song!

[personal profile] chardmonster 2015-10-07 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
Some songs are greatly improved by rap parts.

Example: https://youtu.be/kfVsfOSbJY0?t=2m30s
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[personal profile] dahli 2015-10-07 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
"Ima tryna bath my ape in your milky way"

(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
I don't normally hate it, EXCEPT on Amy Winehouse's You know I'm no good - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl7PXgzI0aQ
Ghostface's Killah's verse just. does. not. fit that song. For some reason this is the version they play on the radio here.

(Anonymous) 2015-10-07 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
They're hit or miss for me, but I'd like to point out this problem's cousin: bad guest rappers on otherwise good rap songs.

Example: 2 Chainz showing up in Nicki Minaj's Beez in the Trap. Get out of this song, you are not welcome.