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[ SECRET POST #3220 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3220 ⌋

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I'm sure we all have a few. Let's share them.

I hate it when people say things like "you have to ship ___ because if you don't you're sexist/homophobic/racist/transphobic"...the list goes on and on.

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I don't even mind those so much, what gets me is "If you don't ship it, you're just wrong."

Yeah, flimsy moralistic justification for petty fandom stuff is just tiring. Just come out and say you want more hot skitty on wailord action or whatever.

I used to be a fan of a youtuber. However recently we found out they had done something really shitty and basically lied to their fans to sell them something. Despite this fans keep defending them, justifying their actions, and buying their merch.

Half of me wants to grab these people by the shoulders and talk some sense into them. The other half is like, why bother? These people are obviously too stupid to recognize when they're being used. Nothing I do is going to make them see the light, so I'll just sit back and bask in the schadenfreude.

Which youtuber tho? At least give a genre.

Re: Fan culture/gullibility

(Anonymous) - 2015-10-28 23:41 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Fan culture/gullibility

(Anonymous) - 2015-10-28 23:45 (UTC) - Expand

Courtesy of MLK Jr., this is the kind of thing meant by "the tone argument":

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season."

The "tone argument" is not simply advising that being an asshole to people is unlikely to make them agree with you. When I first read How to Win Friends and Influence People, I thought it was so obvious that I couldn't believe there needed to be a book about it. Now we've reached a point where basic politeness is genuinely controversial and advocating for it is likely to get you called a troll.

(Inb4 a certain poster with a martyr complex the size of Texas shows up to claim that everyone on FS is just as strident as him, and people only complain about him being rude for . . . some reason.)

Are you seriously subtweeting someone on fandom secrets.

Re: Against my better judgment . . .

feotakahari - 2015-10-29 00:12 (UTC) - Expand

Dude, just talk to him head or ignore him. Vaguebooking and MLK quoting for petty internet arguments is embarrassing.

Re: Against my better judgment . . .

(Anonymous) - 2015-10-29 00:11 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Against my better judgment . . .

feotakahari - 2015-10-29 00:14 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Against my better judgment . . .

(Anonymous) - 2015-10-29 00:20 (UTC) - Expand

yeah, agreed so hard on both. I also read that book and I'm always surprised how much people fail to recognize that you need to also placate people's ego (and I don't mean that in a bad way). People want to feel good about themselves, they want to be reasonable and good.

If you make them feel shitty about themselves without any way of atonement, with only self-depreciation as means as a good ally (and self-depreciation =/= humility), it'll never work. Sure, the movements should be mainly about supporting marginalized people, but the moment you can't "Win Friends and Influence People" for your cause without

Racism and other -isms support people's ego. We can't WIN without being nice, or at least polite!!

I don't mind individual wacky OOC headcanon at all, it can be fun to discuss. But trying to force your own OOC wacky headcanon on the rest of fandom while insisting that everyone who disagrees with you is whatever "-ist" that fits the situation is a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

Ugh yeah. Fuck that.

The phrase "step on me" in regards to favorite female characters. It's the new "flawless" but even more annoying.

but what if it's an actual kink for you?

Re: Fandom pet peeves

(Anonymous) - 2015-10-29 13:49 (UTC) - Expand

when people subscribe to my blog because of one fandom and then never unsubscribe even though I left the fandom ages ago. And I mean active users who visit the site. Stupid 'I'm too nice to unsubscribe' culture. I'm not sure why does it annoy me.

Are you talking about LJ?

Re: Fandom pet peeves

solticisekf - 2015-10-29 01:47 (UTC) - Expand

Could it just be they like reading your content, fandom relevant or not?

Re: Fandom pet peeves

solticisekf - 2015-10-29 22:38 (UTC) - Expand

That my fandom exists only on Tumblr, even though there's a dedicated fansite for it. (People there only talk about school and games and other TV and everything that is not related to the fandom. IDGI.) And I hate Tumblr because I can't avoid the ships and the social justice. And how everyone I follow reblogs the same posts, so I see it 14 times in a row each day

tl;dr, Tumblr exists

'So-and-so is trans, it's canon.' Just fuck off.

Trying to justify or give a pass to a character's shitty/questionable behavior because you like that character.

Character interpretation is often debatable, and no one behaves in exactly the same way in every situation and at every time, so I try to be open to different ideas, but what keeps me from reading fic most of the time is the tendency to change physical appearance to correspond to whatever your preference is, even when you get to see the character's whole body with little obstruction many times in canon. I'm a very visual person and it's just wildly disorienting to me to read things like that. Even the wrong eye color will stop me cold. Plus I don't kink on the strict top/bottom, big dominant guy/little submissive guy stuff that goes along with these amazing bodily transformations at all, so it's a big turnoff. Will Graham is not a tiny, delicate, waifish little twink, no matter how many times you say he is. He's a well-muscled fortyish dude, short and cute but really quite sturdy. It's all right there on the screen. But the weirdest Hannibal-related descriptor I've ever read was still from the person who insisted in every fic that Hannibal's lips were "thin and colorless." I will never understand that shit, his lips are ridiculous. Look at his profile, it's nuts. I refuse to believe that person watched the show with their eyes. lolol

Edited 2015-10-29 02:41 (UTC)

My favorite example of this is fanart that gives Captain America and the Winter Soldier skinny bishie arms. One of which is robotic.

Re: Fandom pet peeves

purpleseas - 2015-10-29 19:19 (UTC) - Expand

I've seen Hannibal's lips described as thin too, which just astounds me; it isn't true at all. Will being described as some tiny, weak, delicate flower is hilarious too considering what good shape Hugh Dancy was in for Hannibal. Anytime he's in a tee shirt or less you can see Will is solid and has a nice amount of muscle.

It isn't even like Mads is a bodybuilder either... They're both solid and fit but neither is huge; they have a decent amount of muscle but it looks very natural and they carry it well.

I love this fandom, but sometimes the writing (And general attitude about certain things) confuses me.

Re: Fandom pet peeves

purpleseas - 2015-10-30 01:05 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Fandom pet peeves

elaminator - 2015-10-30 01:19 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Fandom pet peeves

purpleseas - 2015-10-31 12:14 (UTC) - Expand

I hate fandom backlash. For example: a female character is introduced and is immediately hated by slash shippers, some of whom get pretty intense and misogynistic in their hatred of her. Then there's this big turn around where everyone who isn't a devoted hater decides that it's Seriously Not Okay to say anything bad about said female character, to the point where you pretty much HAVE to like her, otherwise you're a horrible misogynist.

I dislike the behavior of the more zealous haters, for sure, but fandom often responds to those people with this weird mob-mentality, social justicey policing bullshit, and I find that a hell of a lot worse.

The female-character example is just one of many. Backlash can occur any time fandom decides a group within fandom has done/is doing something morally or ethically wrong.

Yeah that stuff is tiresome. The most vocal people don't seem to have much comprehension for moderation.

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