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So, what, there are no Senate elections next year? If you think he looks great on paper, and you are at least 30, you can run for Senate. Or House of Representatives if you're 25.

You'll still be at least as qualified as Ben Carson.

none of us are going to win a fucking senate seat

this isn't some Believe It And You Can Achieve It bullshit. There are also realities. We can't just all close our eyes and cross our fingers and wish real hard and vote for Bernie and wake up in the socialist utopia. That attitude is so frustrating to me.

Well, if you don't believe it, you really won't achieve it, will you?

Look, there are three possibilities: It's easy, it's difficult, or it's impossible.

If it's easy, then do it.
If it's difficult, then try to do it anyway, and accept that it's going to be hard and you might fail.
If it's impossible, then why is it impossible?
- Is democracy a sham? Then Bernie probably won't win either; so what does it matter?
- Is democracy genuine, but the USA really genuinely wants middle-class families to go bankrupt from medical bills, university graduates to be crippled with debt, and poor people to go without dental care? Then Bernie probably won't win either; so what does it matter?
- Are you personally not good enough? Literal rapists of teenagers actually run for office and win. Are you worse than them?

I don't see a way that Bernie wins without other social-democratic reformers running for Congress. It doesn't have to be you. It could be a progressive Democrat in your state who needs volunteers.

The problem is the case where it's difficult and in trying to do it but failing (by winning the primary but not the general) we open the door for a Republican to win the Presidency

which Literally Cannot Be Allowed To Happen

The GOP probably aren't going to win the White House just because Bernie Sanders is on the ballot, though. Bernie has a basically decent & honest demeanor, and he proposes policies that are popular.

By comparison, Clinton is practically running on name recognition and her gender.

clinton has decades of political experience and connections in DC, which, right or wrong, means she can enact an agenda of her choosing. to say she's running on name recognition alone is deeply understating the case.

again, I say this not as a hillary supporter. she is not a lightweight. she has actually accomplished more in the political arena than Bernie, and can position herself to do more.

the problem is that these things may not be what we all want.

Respectfully I just don't agree. I don't find any of the reasons why Bernie might be strong all that compelling - it seems they mostly boil down to (1) head-to-head polling, (2) issue polling, and (3) the person making the argument really likes Bernie personally. And I think (1) and (2) are extremely unreliable, and (3) is very hard to generalize from. And at the end of the day, Bernie is very far to the left compared to previous successful presidential candidates.

But I don't think this is something that can really be resolved without actually nominating him, so it's not a very productive argument.

Then it literally cannot be allowed for the Senate and House to remain in GOP control. Who is running that you know of? Can you work with them?

Democracy requires citizen participation.

I personally live in a district that's represented by progressive Democrats on every level (state legislature on up) so there's not much I can personally do towards that end. But I agree that this sort of thing is extremely important and unquestionably worthwhile and should be done - again, regardless of whether or not Bernie is running.

No, you're right, I'm sorry. I shouldn't encourage people to run for office. It's like encouraging people to become meat packers or immigration attorneys. Lots of stress, and a job most people would find too difficult and unpleasant. But you live in a democracy (alleged)--what else are you supposed to do?

No, I think it largely is through volunteering and running better, more progressive candidates in primaries. I think that needs to be done in house races and in senate races and in every other downballot race - regardless of Bernie Sanders or not.

But my point is, you know, America is not in this situation because the left has had insufficient self-confidence. It's not like all we needed was a little moxy, a little vim and vigor, a little self-belief, and hey presto, everything's better! We're in this situation for a lot of reasons, and you can't wish shit like the extremely conservative beliefs of much of the country or the profound corruption of our political system away.

Also I am legitimately terrified of electing another Republican president as a result of which I am very leery about taking risks regarding the Presidential race specifically.

well, ohio is voting on measures today that address gerrymandering in the state, a major step forward in general.

the problem is that democracy as a whole on the federal and state level has been undermined considerably by external money, lobbyists, and 1%ers. not that we're in some sort of monstrous hellscape yet, but what the system is supposed to be has been altered considerably to benefit a narrow slice of the few.

and the few have made it functionally impossible to punch upwards through conventional methods. say bernie wins - bernie is in a grandfathered position to even try because he's been around since before this got really bad. bernie can't do much.

hillary won't do much because it affects her future and bottom line. she's not hell incarnate, but her vested interests are not necessarily what mainstream america really needs.

trump is laughable and carson is insane.

and yet nothing can take this over. nothing can punch up without a MAJOR industry backing, which even Obama had when he swept into Hillary's pole position years ago.

the problem is fundamental and buried deep in the system.

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