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⌈ Secret Post #3237 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

So I'm not even going to bother looking at the comments on this. I figure it's going to be a bunch of people accusing you of trolling, because a lot of posters on this comm think "disagrees with me = MUST BE A TROLL!'

But I just wanted to say, I get where you're coming from (what with being a lesbian and constantly seeing my sexual orientation objectified in everything ever).

The state of modern slash fandom really is a sad thing. It wasn't always like this; fanfic writers used to actually care about the characters' canon personalities and motivations. Now it's all Migratory Slash Fandom latching onto Any Two White Guys they can project their favourite clichés onto. I'm not yet jaded enough to abandon my slash ships entirely, but I usually don't bother to look for fic anymore. No one gives a shit about characterization or plot anymore; it's all about the mindless fluff and PWP that could easily be about literally any ship with how generic it is. Femslash and het fic has this problem too, but not nearly to the same extent, at least not in the fandom circles I hang around.

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't always like this; fanfic writers used to actually care about the characters' canon personalities and motivations.

Hahahaha... seriously?

As long as there's been fic there's been people who don't give a shit about characterization. That's not a ~kids these days~ thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. I'm old by fandom standards, and characterization in everything (not just slash or even shipping) is much better than it used to be. It's still mostly pretty bad, because of Sturgeon's Law, but not as bad.

[(Anonymous)]

(But Socrates was the first quoted doing the "kids these days" thing, so I think that's exactly it: a long and dubious tradition.)

[(Anonymous)]

LMAO that you think slash was once the bastion of IC writing, it's always been equal parts well done and absolute shit

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

and you're delusional if you think the migratory slash fandom hasn't had a major impact the quality of writing in slash fandom as a whole. slash was never a bastion of in-character writing, but it wasn't always this bad.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

What is the 'migratory slash fandom'?

[(Anonymous)]

The idea that slash fans just flit from one white boy pairing to the next, dropping one like a hot potato as soon as the next shiny one comes along.

[(Anonymous)]

It's more than just that; Migratory Slash Fen don't JUST hop from fandom to fandom. They flood those fandoms with their shitty fic that shoehorns every ship into what are essentially stereotypical yaoi seme/uke roles without actually calling it that.

They tend to look for pairings or characters that are superficially similar to each other in some way, and then write them as though the characters are interchangeable. A Migratory Slash Fan will rake A/B from fandom X, C/D from fandom Y, and E/F from fandom Z, and completely disregard those characters' individual personalities and relationship dynamics in favour of turning all the ships into Bland Stereotype A/Bland Stereotype B.

Migratory Slash Fen also love AUs, not because they like to explore what the characters might be like in a different setting, but because AUs make it easier for them to shove the characters deeper into the bland, generic, cookie cutter Diet Seme'n'Uke boxes. That's why they ESPECIALLY love mundane AUs (barista AUs, bakery AUs, flower shop AUs, etc.) and AUs where specific sexual roles are enforced on everyone (A/B/O AU, D/s AU, and the like).

Fandoms overrun by the Migratory Slash Fandom include: Supernatural, Teen Wolf, BBC Sherlock, Glee, Hannibal, Merlin, MCU, XMFC, and reboot!Trek.

As you can see, this subset of fandom is mainly attracted to live-action fandoms where the main characters are mostly white dudes.

[(Anonymous)]

-> LEGION

[(Anonymous)]

So people who basically write the same generic fic over and over again and just change the characters' names? I always assumed they were just lazy and not very creative.

[arcadiaego]

This has been going on for a long time though. I remember when people all migrated to Stargate Atlantis.

[arcadiaego]

It's a type of swallow.

[(Anonymous)]

yes, it was "this bad," it was just smaller and harder to find.

[(Anonymous)]

"fanfic writers used to actually care about the characters' canon personalities and motivations."

And some of us still do, and put a good deal of work into our plots and characterisations, thanks very much. Personally I and mine despise fluff and PWP. Your generalisations are just that - generalisations.

[(Anonymous)]

You can have good characterization in fluff and PWP...

[(Anonymous)]

I'll believe that when I see it.

[(Anonymous)]

http://archiveofourown.org/works/1234363?view_adult=true

http://archiveofourown.org/works/41774

http://archiveofourown.org/works/154611

http://archiveofourown.org/collections/yuletide2011/works/297198

https://archiveofourown.org/works/266192

http://archiveofourown.org/works/112144

http://theninemuses.net/archive/viewstory.php?sid=281

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, I'm testing a few of these out.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - depends on the characters, my OTP are not remotely fluffy, but I sort of see your point.

[(Anonymous)]

New Anon

I'm not sure about how far back we are going with this.

I started back in 2002 in the Yu Yu Hakusho and Gundam Wing fandoms. The former full of ooc fluff fic where Hiei and Kurama kiss at the end. The latter following Sturgeon's law to a T.

I will say that current fic is more about the pornz than when I started but fic containing "gay but not really gay" is thankfully fading.

Plotty fic is still a thing. The Hunger Games and Inception fandoms have created amazing backstories for their characters. Sherlock fandom has AUs that blow my mind sometimes. Hannibal fandom has done interesting things with the source material. Worldbuilding Star Trek fic ftw. Harry Potter fandom is still looking into the wizarding world as much as ever. Avengers fandom can be very thoughtful. Designations Congruent with Things and From the Ocean Risen continue to blow my socks off.

There is just more fanfic being written then ever, so while there is more average/bad fic, there is also more amazing fic.

[(Anonymous)]

You are way too self-important about fanfic.

"Femslash and het fic has this problem too, but not nearly to the same extent, at least not in the fandom circles I hang around."

Obviously you must only hang out in slash circles. It's the same shit with every shipping configuration, you just don't give a fuck if it's not slash. Bad writing is just bad writing. Alternatively, you could also just be a snob. Not everything is the fault of these kids today sucking.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the change that led to the proliferation of mindless fluff and PWP is the immediate consumption need/short attention span that it's so common now.

That's what killed plot, but I'd argue it hasn't killed characterization completely. Specially since, you know, OOC fics have always existed.