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Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Tl;dr they honestly believe they are doing to right thing by god following the Koran which is there central motivation and it's almost impossible to correct them textually.

Re: Great Article on ISIS

[(Anonymous)]

For people looking for the correct name, and not the shallow attempt at propaganda, that is what tumblristas are trying to brand ISIS.

Re: Great Article on ISIS

[(Anonymous)]

It's not tumblr? The word came out of the Middle East. It's what people opposed to them there call them.

Re: Great Article on ISIS

[(Anonymous)]

Isis is an Egyptian goddess. I'm cool with calling them Daesh instead, it's not like I'm worried about hurting their feelings.

Re: Great Article on ISIS

[(Anonymous)]

You are a moron.

Daesh is a variant spelling of DAIISH, which is the acronym that ISIS' full name in Arabic forms. Calling it that is banned in ISIS territory because sounds similar to words that roughly mean "oppression" and "bigot." It's becoming increasingly common for world leaders such as the French president, as well as John Kerry, to use that word simply because ISIS doesn't like being called more or less shitheads.

Moron.

Re: Great Article on ISIS

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe you need to stretch your horizons beyond Tumblr, because Daesh didn't originate from the Tumblrinas this time (and I'm usually one of the first to knock them). It's what the Middle Eastern leaders Daesh has managed to piss off (you know by murdering/beheading their citizens/burning pilots to death,etc.,), and others like John Kerry and Putin are calling them as well.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

Impossible to fabricate

Can't make this shit up

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

10/10 I LOL'd. Would read again.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

The implication of the contrast is a failure of logic. The fact that violence is justified with appeal to Islam does not invalidate his point that most Muslims are not particularly violent.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

lol, thanks for posting this.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

That's, in a lot of ways, besides the point. I don't think that Islam, on its own and correctly understood, is the source or the origin or the operating principle or the font of Daesh as an organization, or its aims, or its intent.

I mean, with religion in general, I think you almost always have a wide variety of practices in any religion, and it's generally quite hard to 100% prove or disprove any particular practice or interpretation based on the holy book or the core tenets of the faith. Because people are smart and they put a lot of time and thought into thinking through these kinds of questions. You can rationalize almost anything. Look at the wide variety of practices in Christianity - and almost every one of them would justify their practices by reference to the Bible, even though their practices contradict each other. So I think this is something basic about the way that people approach religion as a human phenomenon, that is true of all religions. I do not think that it is unique to Islam.

What I would say is that - while Daesh is of course distinctly & unmistakably an Islamist organization - I don't think that's a useful approach to the problem they present, and I don't think looking at them as a purely religious phenomenon is useful in terms of telling us how to approach them. I certainly don't think you can use that as a criticism of Islam generally. Islam is an element of the organization but if you stop there in your attempts to understand it you will be dramatically misinformed.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[dreemyweird]

Yes, all of this. This is a very reasonable comment and you should feel good about it :)

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

This is so true.

The Koran, like the Bible, honestly has loads of really violent passages which do plenty to encourage oppressing and brutally murdering people. it's there, that's true. They also both have peaceful, loving passages. That's true, too.

This leads to a huge variety in possible interpretation. I don't think it's possible to follow everything in the Abrahamic holy books in fact, because the text contradicts itself. Nonetheless, you can be a violent asshole or a peace-loving hippie and find support from either. Anyway, there's no point in singling out Islam because the Jews and Christians have very similar books that at times encourage violence, among other atrocities.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[diet_poison]

Not to mention that the Bible once played a similar role as the Koran plays now in influencing violent behavior on a large scale. Not that I think it's justified either way, but...well, like you said, the passages are there. Power-hungry people will draw on a variety of things to justify their behavior.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[ill_omened]

Here's what you fail to understand though. It's not 'power hungry people', it's that ISIS brings in the true believers. It informs everything they do, and exactly why they succeed so well at getting foreign zealot fighters crossing the world to join their cause.

That's a critique more fitting of Al-Queda, not ISIS.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[ill_omened]

The Quaran is significantly better at being a guide on how to run a society and live your life, insofar as it was written/directed by an actual warlord where there was real practical concerns, whereas the old/new testament were written by a host of different writers over different time periods most of who didn't have any actual power.

Which means the bible instantly has to be read as 'metaphorical', and often contradicts itself, or whatever other excuse you want to not follow the properly crazy shit. The Quaran doesn't have that so much, which means you can read it as the valid world of god and run a society by it - it's just one that belongs in the world of a millenia ago.

And to understand ISIS you need to understand that they are closer than anyone else following the word of their god.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

What? No, they are not. The Quran contradicts itself enormously, too. But it flat out says that conversion can not be done at the sword. It flat out condemns murder, especially of the elderly, children, and women. These people have ONLY chosen to follow the most violent passages, and are ignoring the passages that condemn everything they do. They pick and choose as much as anyone.

ISIS is a terror cult more than it is conservative religion. Their motives are not exclusively religion, but also resistance against the movements of the West - they often claim that their strikes are revenge for certain attacks that Western forces have committed on their territories. Not that religion isn't a great cult tool for firing people up and getting them to risk or sacrifice their lives. But even the most conservative Muslim is not going to suicide bomb people. These are classic cult tactics.

+1

[feotakahari]

I'm not an expert on Islam, but I do know that the Koran calls for freeing slaves, and that ISIS keeps slaves. I'm a bit skeptical that they're following the Koran closely.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[ill_omened]

Not even slightly to the extent that the Bible does, but I'm not particularly interested into getting into a game of 'but this tiny verse I've wildly taken out of context if you side eye it looks like it supports gome stuff and is against bad stuff tm'.

And talking about ISIS as a cult doesn't quite fit. Which model are you using to make that judgement? It doesn't operate in a way even the largest cults like Jonestown did. It's too decentralised and lacking in central figures. And that there are other motivators doesn't mean that religious belief isn't a huge motivating factor.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

*tips fedora*

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

i just telling you this.

you just troll your own prophet for shit.... and you need to read more...

and yes, my tone has becoming sarcastically assholed...

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

I like that article a lot. It really helped me yesterday. I'm in Europe, and I was so shaken up by these horrible attacks, and reading a long explanation on how ISIS/Daesh operates and what they believe in weirdly helped me find my footing again. Understanding more about the situation didn't make the events any less atrocious, but it made me feel less disoriented and scared. Again, weirdly, since ISIS is scary and this is a scary article.

Like...it is really easy to think of people who do something like that as "monsters" and "pure evil" (and that was my first reaction), but it's useful to remember that they are indeed people, and that they are people who for some reason or other have become convinced that what they're doing is right, and just, and needs to be done. Which is even scarier in a way, but at least it's something recognizable, something that has happened many times before. I abhor everything that ISIS stands for, but reading that article I could understand how people may get seduced by all that apocalyptic rhetoric and that whole thing about shaping the word anew and all that.

It's still frightening, because extremists are fucking frightening, and it's also frightening to think that there are no clear solutions for this, but it made it all more tangible for me. I don't know, it helped.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

I think the vilest things that people do are part of the range of human behaviors, but just because they're "human" and "believe that what they're doing is right" doesn't make them not evil. People can give themselves over to evil and the longer they do it, the more they crush their own humanity out of themselves. Eventually "monsters" is exactly what they are.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

This was a great article. Thank you, OP. It took a while to get through, but it was very worth it.

Re: Great Article on Daesh

[(Anonymous)]

man, this article need to give to professors or professional because it is too long and gibberish for my head.

and if someone achieved calmness after read this, well good for you.