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The system we have now, where we work 5-6 days a week for most of the year, for like 40 years of our lives is utter bullshit.

Especially as a lot of jobs are just totally made-up bullshit that no-one actually needs.

This is not how people envisioned the future.

Automation should have enabled us to work less. Given our levels of potential prosperity, we shouldn't be working nearly that much to survive.

BTW, I think you would like this article.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/why-americas-favorite-anarchist-thinks-most-american-workers-are-slaves/

thank you!

Completely agree. And it seems to me, frankly, that what really has happened is that the wealthy have captured the wealth produced by automation.

Seems that way, yes.

And then there's the absurd result that there's less jobs, but people are still expected to do the same work, so a bunch of people just end up jobless.

No. A lot of the wealth that has been produced by automation is blown by normal people on stupid shit. Then they try to justify it by saying 'I deserve it' or 'It's just $5 for a coffee (three times a week every week). That's not very much.'

Then they end up working shitty jobs so they can pay for crap they don't need and which does not make them happy. Whereas if they talked to a financial planner and put the money they were spending on crap in a bond/stock/wherever based on their long term goals, they would be richer and could potentially retire sooner.

Sitting around blaming 'the wealthy' is not going to solve your problems. Bill Gates is not to blame for your poor financial decisions. If you live in a first world country then you have a shit ton of choices and opportunities. Take advantage of that and quit blaming 'the wealthy' for 'capturing' money. Frankly, I doubt you could provide an example of that happening.

Uh, the wealthy have taken a large amount of the wealth though????? Like the top 1% account for about half of the wealth in the world, and predictions is that it will be OVER half as we approach 2020.

That's a shit ton of money going to a very small amount of people.

Pssssssst iceyred is a Republican, so pointing out that whole 1% thing doesn't bother him at all.

Wealthy people are wealthy. Brilliant observation there. News flash: just because someone has more money than you does not mean you are being punished.

Boo-hoo, I will never be a one percenter. How sad. Thankfully, I have control over my saving/spending, and can become a millionaire next door.

But you said a. the wealthy aren't capturing the money and b. that the majority of the problem is that normal people are spending frivolously. Both these statements are untrue.

As much as you may want to deny it, the fact that the majority of the wealth goes to a small amount of people does effect you, it effects everyone. These are the same people who also have the power (because you know in our society wealth = power) to make everyone's quality of life go down. These are the same people who make wages stagnate while cost of living continues to increase. Gigantic companies are also the most likely to ship a job overseas and pay people unfair wages (we're not talking anything where you can save, we're talking below the poverty level and that's not even getting into unsafe working conditions and child labor.)

You live in a privileged position where you can control your savings, good for you. I don't know why you don't understand the relation between the super wealthy and your position in life though, blaming normal people, or the poor, has never "fixed" societies ills.

Both of those statements are true and you are providing me with no evidence, or even anecdotal statements, to prove them wrong. You're spewing a lot of shit that your sociology professor told to make you feel like you have no power or responsibility to improve your life.

Some people have more money than you. That does not mean they stole it from you. That does not mean they owe you anything. Get over it.

You labor under the belief that we are all peasants except for the 1% who are kings and there is nothing that can change this situation. That's adorable. Even more adorable is your mention of child labor. Psst. The Fair Labor Standards Act was passed in 1938. America outlaws that shit.

I'll bet money you live in the first world, which means you are more privileged that most of the people on Earth. It's sad that you're too stupid to realize how blessed you are. Blaming other people for your problems never fixed anything.

Agreed. The problem is the idea that you're only as valuable as your work. If you're not working, you're worthless. And that stems from the idea that people have varying levels of value, as opposed to being equally valuable.

Yeah, I agree.

Who gets to decide what's totally made-up bullshit, though? I think by doing my job, I'm doing a valuable service for humanity, but a lot of people would think it's unnecessary.

I think the wonderful thing about the concept of a universal salary of some sort (where everyone gets a base wage to live on regardles of whether they work or not) isn't that people would not work, but that it would allow more people to work in the arts, sciences, and humanities - things that usually aren't necessary in a get food/build shelter/heal the sick kind of way.

Made-up in the sense that they're no longer in relation to what people need realistically.

For example: people like nurses and teachers clearly do a service people actually need.

It's arguable people don't really need telesales people calling them and half-conning them into buying stuff they don't need.

And I do not blame the people, they need to make a living - but arguably these are jobs that could just disappear with universal income (or people would have to be more compensated in actual relation to the shittiness of the job)

I can google how to cook and delicious recipes will automatically appear on my computer, thus saving me from temptation to go spend money at fast food joints. I can also google potential bike routes (saves me gas money), and entertainment (saves me a cable bill) and these things will automatically appear.

I can automatically invest that saved money in my roth every month.

That money will earn compound interest, which will enable me to retire while I still have both knees and my mental facilities.

Stop spending. Invest more money. Retire early.

I don't think it's so simple (I have definitely been in the position where I had zero extra dollars to 'invest' in anything beyond gas money to the nearest food bank).

But overall I agree with what you said here and above. Working a dead-end job for 40 years is a choice. Lots of people make the choice every single day to go to work for someone else, to piss away what could be their retirement fund, to spend their time watching TV rather than learning a marketable skill, to bitch about rich people rather than learning about money themselves.

But not everyone. There's a lot of people out their that chose something else. They spent their evenings learning Arabic and how to write and left their dead-end job and became translators. Or they realized what they really wanted to do was own a food truck and employ other people rather than being the employee. Or they scrimped and saved for twenty years and retired at 35.

I started with $200 to start a shitty business and built it into a decent living. It wasn't easy. I had to live in my car and go hungry a hell of a lot and there's a lot of shit I don't know because I couldn't afford college and I nearly flunked out of high school. But now ten years later I'm financially stable enough that I could go into semi-retirement whenever I want. I'm not even thirty yet.

I run out of patience quickly whenever people start bitching about how the wealthy/society is keeping them down.

Oh, there are plenty of people who have started a business, learned an in-demand skill, worked two jobs while going to school, etc. I've met them. That's how I know it can be done. And I've worked two jobs while going to school, learned a skill (maybe not an in-demand skill, but a skill) and done the research how to turn that into income. So I have every intention of doing it too.

On one hand I don't think it's that simple (there are limits when it comes to saving, and not everyone gets a salary good enough to live on it and save without going to extremes) on the other... most people seem to think that good money management is just being able to meet ends so as long as that's possible wasting money it's an ok.

So I mostly agree with you, because, really, saving/ is something basic that can make a big difference latter on.

I think a lot of people do save but like shit/life happens. I know plenty of people who have saved only to have that money taken away when some sort of emergency occurs.

There are people who have money management issues but I really don't think that's the sole or even biggest problem with the way economies work in modern societies.

Only works if you already have a certain level of income.

Beside, it turns things around. It banks on enjoying life when you're older, while working/denying yourself things when you're younger.

Not that that's an argument against saving...but I'd rather, say, travel while I know I can climb a ruin. Hell, do it while I know I'm still alive.

Anyway, too late for me. I won't even have a proper pension.

Traveling and spending money now at the expense of later is your right and prerogative. But people don't get to spend themselves in the poor house then cry and demand I pay taxes to give them welfare after I spend a lifetime being careful with my money.

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