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By the whole 'No single male refugees please' that's happening atm? I don't want to be accused of being one of the dreaded, but it seems kinda fucked up, and it seems even more fucked up that no-one is talking about it.

No. not really.

If anything the CA shooting shows it's not only single men, so it's ultimately useless regardless

I don't think you can blame a woman who was basically sold to a terrorist for the terrorists actions she was forced into.

That's beside the point. The fact is the people involved were not both single males.

People can fake being married and they can fake families and children. Therefore targeting single men doesn't necessarily stop anything.

Oh, I see. You weren't saying single males you were saying single males. Sorry, my bad.

Re: Anyone else a little disturbed

(Anonymous) - 2015-12-06 00:30 (UTC) - Expand

Uhhh. Right now everything is indicating that she was the mastermind behind the plan.

(Anonymous) - 2015-12-06 01:39 (UTC) - Expand

OK, that was a sexist comment.

It's a fucked up situation to be sure, but what are we supposed to do about it?

Agreed. I've seen lots of feminist sites talking about it being fucked up, but there's nothing we can do about it. it's a government decision.

Where I'm from, politicians are planning to get rid of the possibility for refugees having their families join them once they obtain refugee status (of course, these are the same fuckwits who go on and on about the sanctity of marriage and protection of the family in other contexts). All the while, they also worry about the whole "single male refugees" thing and pretend to feel sorry about drowned refugee children. How to logic... :X

It's quite fucked up. I guess people are still saying it then? I heard about it for a day or so and then the news cycle moved on...

I can see the logic behind it. It's not a decision I would have made but I do get it.

Fuck off.

Not really. We have been receiving quite a lot of single male refugees and guess what? A sudden influx of young men with no work, no education and nothing to do leads to fighting, sex crimes and plenty of other problems, even if you ignore the fear of terrorism. The refugees are also constantly fighting with each other in the centers, because they have brought their political and ethnic quarrels with them (and some of them are just assholes looking for a fight).

So taking in families is way better for everyone.

I kinda agree

Wouldn't single female refugees have the same exact problem?

don't be an ass

So single men don't deserve to be rescued from persecution? I don't think there should be qualifications. As many people as can be taken should be taken regardless of category. We aren't taking them because of what they can do for us. We are taking them because they are refugees and victims fleeing horror of a kind we can't even imagine and it would be immoral not to take as many as we can.

NAYRT

I mean - we're living in a world where there will be a cap on how many refugees the US will take. Far below the number of refugees that exist. Given that fact, I don't think it's wrong to do some kind of priority assignment for refugees. It's essentially the equivalent of triage, right? Everyone deserves help, but since we're not going to help everyone, we have to decide who we're going to help.

And "families first" really doesn't seem too crazy as an ordering principle.

Single men are probably in a far better position to take care of themselves and considerably less in need of rescuing than most other groups of refugees, like children, elderly people, or parents with dependent children.

Honestly I agree. And not only that, but in countries that are taking in a large percentage of refugees (like I think Sweden for instance?) are going to face a very skewed gender balance in the future with most of the refugees being men. That's not really a good thing, especially not if natives prefer to date natives. (Idk how multi-racial dating is in Europe. Maybe they're very open about it. Idk.)

Yes, thank you! All of this.

You're right, it's messed up.

I think it makes perfect sense.

In situations such as this one, the preservation and security of the lives of children absolutely should be the first priority, followed by the primary caregiver of said children as the close second priority.

How is that in any way controversial? Do you also want to go back and tell the captain of every passenger vessel that ever sunk that "women and children first" was bullshit?

Also, as someone upthread pointed out, "A sudden influx of young men with no work, no education and nothing to do leads to fighting, sex crimes and plenty of other problems, even if you ignore the fear of terrorism." This isn't just a wild supposition; it's quantifiable based on what has been observed in countries which have had large influxes of (often young) male refugees and immigrants.