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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-01-03 03:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #3287 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3287 ⌋

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Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-03 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
when a character is a jerk and never learns their lesson and everyone likes and forgives them anyway

Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-03 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Lookin' at you, Tony Stark...

Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-03 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
...how does he not learn his lesson? He goes through a ton of changes.

Or do you mean a 40 year old man not being able to magically delete all his ingrained habits and assumptions means "not learning his lesson"?

Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-03 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)
NAYRT

Tony Stark is one of my favorite characters in the Marvel franchise, but there are problems. The things he atones for are very specific. He never atones for his actions in Iron Man 2 and never apologizes for the shitty things he's said and done to people. He only changes when it suits him.
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Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-04 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
instead of having Tony face the actual consequences, they literally rebooted his brain to a pre-Civil War backup. literally.

nayrt, wow, that's a peculiar writing choice. I could maybe see it if I were a new writer taking over and I didn't want to deal with the previous storyline, but it's still seems like a really stupid "reboot" button.

Actually, it's probably nothing new. I seem to recall that the original storyline (until Marvel execs over-ruled the writers) was that the solution to Jean Grey's Phoenix killing spree was just to remove her memory and powers.

But it would be a better, much more interesting storyline to actually DEAL with the fallout.
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Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-04 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
I know; I'm never sure if it's due to lazy writing or the rotating writing staff. But I hate the magical reset button. I think that with the comics, there's just a strong preference to "have exciting things happen" and also "maintain the status quo". So the only way to have your cake and eat it too is to use the reset button.

Eventually, when you get old enough, you realize you've read the same story regurgitated over and over, and just stop reading and move on. Yes, I'm just speaking for myself. :)
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Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

[personal profile] tabaqui 2016-01-04 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I just never see Tony as the big jerk/asshole/whatever people say he is. Now, this is movie-Tony, only, I've never read the comics.

Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-03 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Most egregious examples are House and Sherlock (BBC, others are better).

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Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-03 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I suppose that's true. But despite his terrible personality and horrendous actions, he still has a fantastic job, a permissive boss, a loyal best friend, and (most of the time) the admiration of his colleagues. His team also grows to become very protective of him...in a sense. I think there's an argument there that is because of his medical skills, but a lot of people are good at things without being dicks about it.

For God's sakes, he got Wilson's girlfriend killed. A lot would argue that was only partially his fault...as would I, but it was supposed to be the straw that broke the camel's back, but instead Wilson comes crawling back to him. Why?

I love the show, don't mistake me. The writers are extremely hard on him, too. But it's not like he's been really punished. Most of the show, he's in a nice, cushy position.
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Re: A Weak Whiny Baby Thread

(Anonymous) 2016-01-05 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Amber getting killed wasn't really House's fault, he didn't crash the truck into the bus.