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I had a bad fight with an ex-coworker and all the time lately I've noticed her (rare) first name in the credits of the shows I'm watching, leading me to realize I'm still not over it. I am still very angry and upset about what she did to me.

Have you have any epiphanies lately, FS? Fandom or RL.

I'm getting to the age - 30s - where almost everyone around me has no interest in learning anything new. I'm looking around thinking, "this is how you get old."

Worse:
"I don't know how to cook or do any of my own housework. I'll just marry a woman who does."
"I don't know how to do taxes or anything related to my own finances. I'll just marry a man who does."

I'm 30, too, but I was a returning student until recently. I've really missed the academic setting since I graduated. Just the opportunity to learn new things. That people expect you to actively seek knowledge and aspire there... I really miss that feeling. I feel like I didn't learn anything I needed to.

Make more friends who are scientists or artists!

AYRT

They are artists.

I find occupation says little about how open to new things people are. Even scientists and creative people settle comfortably into a routine and do the same things over and over.

In three weeks I'm going to be 54. I am still interested in learning new things.

I think I've figured out the key to a lot of confused responses to feminist criticism. It's Watsonian versus Doylist: http://fanlore.org/wiki/Watsonian_vs._Doylist

By its very nature, feminist criticism is Doylist as all hell. It's all about the author's choices and the author's message, with very few opportunities to justify things in-universe. But when someone responds to a feminist critique with complete bafflement, their statements regarding the work are usually Watsonian in nature. I've often seen commenters who have no apparent understanding that a Doylist critique is even possible--they respond to every attempt at doing so with increasingly irritated Watsonian explanations, assuming the Doylist is just too stupid to understand what they're talking about.

This is an interesting point!! It never occurred to me before that this might be the problem.

Oh, yes, I've seen that a few times. I was so annoyed that nether side would listen.

No, I'm sorry, but with all respect, that's complete horseshit. I agree that the dichotomy that you're describing exists more or less as you describe it. But the way that you're characterizing it is incorrect because it presupposes that both views have the same validity and standing. And that's just not true. I'm sorry, but it's not.

I mean, both of them are valid ways of liking a work, but when we're talking about criticism & trying to understand a work, the Doylist mode is just better. Because at the end of the day, fictional works are actually created works of fiction which were made and exist in our world. They are not actually descriptions of places that exist. None of the in-universe justifications are actually justifications.

To use your example, it's fun to pretend that Doyle was merely a literary agent, or whatever - but at the end of the day, Doyle did actually write the stories, and Watson and Holmes were actually just fictional characters.

But Doyle did write the stories as if Watson wrote the stories. In that sense, a Watsonian approach mimics how Doyle himself attempted to frame the content of the stories. Just as a pure Watsonian approach misunderstands things that were done to pass on an idea or set up an emotion, a pure Doylist approach misunderstands things that were done to confirm internal consistency and create a "real"-feeling world. (Besides, any writer who doesn't want a Watsonian aspect to their work can just write an essay.)

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(Anonymous) - 2016-01-11 06:31 (UTC) - Expand

I might have to break up with my SO. :(

Oh, that sucks. You got to do what's right for you, though.

Recently realised that people aren't just asking me when I'm getting married because they're nosy. I really am at the age where my friends are getting married, or at least starting to think about it. I don't really mind, but I'm appalled by how adulthood has snuck up on me. Somebody asked my mum if she'd think about having him as her son-in-law. He was mostly joking and I'm not annoyed or anything at all, but the fact that someone might seriously ask her sometime relatively soon is ... surprising to think about, I guess.

My new job, which consists of interacting with people up to 12 hours a day, won't prevent me from feeling lonely.

I guess I'll have to find another way.

What's the job?

If it's superficial interaction, it definitely won't help.

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That I hate about 50% of my job. I've been doing it now for almost 20 years...and the last couple have been a hard slog for me. I love the other 50% of it. The thing is, I live rurally, there're not a lot of jobs in my profession within reasonable driving distance. And I really need my health plan (plus vacation time is amazing, even if the pay isn't so much), plus I have seniority.

what job and which parts do you hate?

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(Anonymous) - 2016-01-10 23:16 (UTC) - Expand

Realized today that part of why my aunt's OBSESSIVE Super Mom thing with her only biological child (she's got four much older stepchildren) grates me so much is because of the kid she adopted and then sent back ten years ago.

I didn't realize that people did that (send back adopted children). That's so awful.

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Oh...oh my god. That's...wow.

this showed up on my fb feed today

http://chronicpainsolutions.org/your-anxiety-isnt-an-excuse-to-be-an-asshole/

it was a much-needed reminder.

I could've used that earlier tonight.

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