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Liking these books is just another symptom of rape culture. the fact that people can like a character who commits the worst crime, the worst violation that can be committed against a woman in the fist book and people follow along the rest of the series in his search for redemption like he can ever be redeemed? That is rape culture. So yes it's bad, but it's not unexpected. Honestly it would have been a better book if his illness had killed him before he got to that part.

the worst violation that can be committed against a woman

You. You need to get out more.

Oh do change the record, one note anon.

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I;m pretty sure it also counts as rape culture. Also OP would probably argue that we don't live in a murder culture, which I can kinda get behind.

Agreed. Although how you interpret said media may relate to stance on social issues. The number of people who romanticize Lolita or talk about it as if she actually seduced Humbert horrifies me and is absolutely an indicator of rape culture. But just enjoying the book is not.

I'm not familiar with that interpretation. How does that work?

I get so frustrated by a lot of discussions of Lolita because I love that book, but that's because I have a weird soft spot for people saying terrible things in a pretty way. So people trying to justify Humbert and act like he's not awful are really just arguing that I actually shouldn't like the book.

That sounds an awful lot like the desperate reaching of people who are overly fond of literary analysis.

I'd be fine with that kind of allegorical reading but I'm just not seeing the logic to this one.

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sarillia - 2016-01-20 01:51 (UTC) - Expand

I know this is a throwaway comment, but I think you could probably argue that the United States does, in fact, have a 'murder' culture. Or at least a violent culture.

I don't have a strong opinion on American Psycho myself but I feel like some of the people saying protesters missed the point are actually missing the point of the criticism themselves. A lot of the people who complain that it promotes violence will concede that it was supposed to be an indictment but the question is does it do that well or does it actually end up glorifying what it was supposed to be condemning? It bugs me when people defend something by saying that it's satire without acknowledging that there's still a debate to be had over whether or not it's good satire and does what it set out to do. Although satire doesn't seem to be quite the right word in this book's case. But you get the idea.

Oh no, I didn't think you were endorsing either view. I was just reminded of people who do and blurted out my thoughts on them.

Also, I love those books too. :D

IDK man. Rape is pretty awful, but I still think murder and several forms of torture would be worse things to happen to me.

Strange how you specify "woman". Do you not think that men are raped too or do you think it's not the worst thing that can be done to a man?

And have you thought of things like torture and murder? Do you not think those are far worse? If not, why not?

I know you're trolling, but I get really tired of "the worst crime, the worst violation" everrrr. You have to know how problematic and devaluing that kind of statement is for those who have been raped, but you just keep repeating it for the replies. So I guess here's one more reply, but it's just to say how deeply tired I am of hearing that obnoxious sentiment packaged as concern for women.

This. One of my friends was raped, and she was actually more messed up by all of the people who kept telling her she should be horribly traumatized by what happened to her than she was by the rape itself. She wasn't all that traumatized, so she started thinking there was something wrong with her for not reacting in the way she was "supposed" to react. Which is bullshit because everyone deals with/reacts to things in their own way and there is no one proper reaction to something like rape.

Haha, holy shit, are we friends? That's exactly what happened to me. The rape itself was bad, yeah, but I got over it pretty quick-- which led everyone else to act like I was broken or hiding my pain or something. People got fucking angry that I wasn't a shell of my former self because I'd gotten raped. How they acted around me was a million times worse than some chode forcing himself on me.

Yeah, that's basically what happened to my friend. She even had other rape survivors accuse her of lying about it because obviously everyone who has been raped has to be mentally scarred for life by the experience - never mind the fact that it involved roofies so she didn't even have any memory of the rape itself to be traumatized by. She was more upset by the huge blank in her memory than she was by the rape.

But yeah, it was pretty horrible the way people acted towards her just because she didn't have the "acceptable" reaction to what happened to her.