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[ SECRET POST #3314 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3314 ⌋

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I like Snape quite a bit as a character. I just also think that he's canonically a vicious bully, not a misunderstood woobie with a pure and radiant heart.

Did you make all the Snape James secrets this week anon?

Well there are (or were, at a time) some James/Severus shippers out there somewhere, so...

I still ship them :( I was surprised when I first started shipping it and didn't find much of a fandom, I always thought schoolboy-rival ships were popular.

Not when loser fangirls projected their bullied grade and high school selves unto to Sevvy-p00.

con't

And then proceeded to ship basically themselves with Hermione or Lupin or Harry.

I think Snape/Lupin is the most popular of those ships from what I've seen, probably because of the extra angst of Lupin almost killing Snape and his subsequent fear of werewolves.

But Snape/Lupin wasn't really written as a rival ship. It was more tragic lovers who would have been destined to be friends from the very beginning if those assholes James and Sirius didn't interfere.

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sarillia - 2016-01-30 22:44 (UTC) - Expand

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(Anonymous) - 2016-01-31 00:22 (UTC) - Expand

Two things.

1. Why is this such a hot topic this week?

2. I never really thought much about James as a character. He was always just...Harry's dead father. He was part of the backstory and of course influenced the story through the ways that other characters (especially Harry) felt about him. Whereas Snape was a character in the present story who moved it forward. So I guess I never thought there was anything to like or dislike about James.

I completely agree about 2. I'm always kind of reminded of arguments about a celebrity's "real personality" under their persona that people insist they know all about despite never having met them when I read discussions that go deep into James's character. We're just not shown much about him.

OP just made a lot of secrets about the same issue?

Meh, not me. Sorry. I'm a James fan exclusively.

Me

I like Snape because I think he was a young idiot with not much guidance who, in his teens and twenties, basically fucked up his entire life

I like James because he was clearly pampered, entitled, and a bully but he at least realized there were some lines one shouldn't cross (like saving Snape from Lupin) and eventually realized he'd been an asshole

They're both compelling and flawed characters in their own way

*werewolf Lupin to be clear

I think it's possible to like both characters, as long as you're willing to accept that they're both flawed. It's a lot easier to fixate on Snape. He gets a lot more character development since he's, you know, actually alive for most of the series, and the reader actually gets into his head several times via memories, flashbacks, magic textbooks, etc. We only get other people's memories of James, and only over a very specific point in time. And since he was a major jackass to Snape in the only scene the two of them ever share, some people have decided to use that moment to define his entire character.

And honestly, while I have serious problems with woobie!Snape, I don't have an issue with that. I don't agree with the interpretation, and I don't think that it's supported by the series canon as a whole, but again it's James. We don't have much to work with. If you want to run with the narrative that James was nothing but a bully and Snape was a little asshole who left a wake of destruction behind him, but finally figured out how to do the right thing for the wrong reasons and helped save the world... cool.

I don't like either...

I mean, define "like." I like them both as characters, but I don't really care for either one as a "person," if that makes sense.

I have a friend who is a big Snape fan (especially Rickman!Snape) but also like the Marauders as a whole.

So, yes, they do exists.

I like both and Sirius too.

I don't like either so that's kind of the same thing right?

ME.

I always thought they were basically supposed to be seen as the same type of person underneath their outward sociability: large egos borne of insecurity that made them into terrible bullies. James just had the ability to interact with other people in a way that Snape didn't, making him the more "likable" of the two. I've no doubt that if James hadn't died when he did, we would have seen a dad of many noogies/wet willies/other sundry violations of personal space and slews of "joking" insults that chip away at a child's self-confidence-- meanwhile, Snape chips away at it through bitterness and harsh words.

They're both people who think they're doing the best thing, without looking to an outside source to confirm if what's in their heads is even vaguely all right. So in that sense, I find them both compelling. I'm not sure if "like" is the right word, but I don't "dislike" them either, so it's a bit more complicated than that, I think.

What about those of use who don't particularly like either?

are you saying about liking two different characters/personalities simultaneously at the same time or certain circumstance that made them met each other is what transpired the whole situation that you like them, op.

or i just babbling, again?

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