[ SECRET POST #3349 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3349 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Early today, places to go!

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 060 secrets from Secret Submission Post #479.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - random memes with no secrets in them ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[blitzwing]

Wow, way to shit all over platonic and romantic relationships OP. You can ship something without sex involved. It's still a valid relationship and a valid ship.

Not that you seem to believe that.

[(Anonymous)]

Considering they say they're asexual, I don't think they're shitting over those relationships. They just don't think they count as shipping. Or something.

[blitzwing]

You can be asexual and have internalized sexualnormative beliefs. It's entirely possible for asexuals to shit on platonic and romantic relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

da

Don't you only mean platonic? OP's saying romantic relationships are what they DON'T ship.

[blitzwing]

OP is saying they don't think their ships are real ships because the characters don't have sex. There are romantic relationships where the characters never have sex, and OP is implying those aren't "real ships" because they lack sex.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Ahhh, okay. I misunderstood.

I guess they somehow got the impression that it's not really shipping unless it includes sex.

[dancing_clown]

I think this is more about OP being naive on what constitutes shipping rather than OP taking a shit all over people. And really it's kind of understandable naivete since so much of shipping does seem to be about sex.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's how I interpreted it. I think they're just misinformed about the definition of shipping rather than being anti-non-sexual relationships or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Ha, I'm aro/ace and I still ship things. A romantic ship is still a ship even without sex. I can recognize that just fine. (here's a tip, OP: skip the sex parts. It's pretty easy to avoid.)

[iggy]

I'm aro/ace and shipping is like 95% of my fandom output.

[(Anonymous)]

Not aro/ace and I still skip at least 75% of the sex scenes. Most just aren't very good.

[silverr]

That wasn't quite my take-away from the secret -- it sounded to me (based on the their description of what they aren't finding enough of) that they DO want "platonic and romantic" though -- domestic stuff, cuddling, hand holding? I interpreted the secret more as a complaint that most "ship" fics or discussions are about sex.

[(Anonymous)]

They're coming from a sincere, honest place that seems to be a marker of their experience with shipping and you want to shit all over them for some unfortunate phrasing? Not going to extend someone who identifies as asexual the benefit of the doubt and just assume they're obsessed with sex?

God, you're an ass.

[blitzwing]

God, you're an ass.

That's one of my favorite body parts you know ♥

[(Anonymous)]

They're not saying that sexual ships aren't valid at all. They're saying that them seeing relationships platonically may not be considered as valid as sexual ships are in the fandom. They WANT to ship things platonically, but cannot feel like they are a part of fandom which tends to put a lot of focus on the sexual aspect of ships. It's merely an insecurity they are sharing about not fitting in, that's all.

[blitzwing]

Where do they say that? They said that they realized they weren't really shipping since they don't like seeing the characters together sexually.

No where did they say anything about other people considering relationships valid or not.

[(Anonymous)]

It is - I would argue - completely obvious from context that they're talking about the way that fandom interacts with ships is centered on sex.

Which is a pretty true observation, I think.

And, like, not to mention that they talk about doing shipping in a non-sexual way themselves. Come on man.

[blitzwing]

It is - I would argue - completely obvious from context

The only thing that seems obvious to me is that the OP thinks the only valid ships are sexual ships--and that seems to be the way many other people interpreted it too, if you take a look at how many people are telling OP they can ship non-sexual relationships.

And, like, not to mention that they talk about doing shipping in a non-sexual way themselves.

And go on to say their shipping is "not real" because it lacks sex. Which is invalidating to non-sexual ships and relationships.

[(Anonymous)]

They are made to feel it isn't real because of their experiences in fandom. FANDOM is making them feel like they can't join in because they don't ship it sexually. They are going "people are seeing it this way, but I don't, and I feel insecure about it because I want to fit in".

Besides, even if they believe their shipping isn't real, they do not seem to be trying to put other ships down? The way they're talking about it just makes them seem naive about how they approach ships and fandom, they're not trying to put their foot down about how ships should be viewed. They just don't know any better - they should be educated about it instead of judged.

[(Anonymous)]

FWIW, I agree with your interpretation.

I read it as they have some misconceptions about what constitutes shipping (maybe they're new to fandom), and are maybe primarily in fandoms that put a high emphasis on sex so fandom is making them feel like their ships aren't real/valid because they aren't sexual, not that they personally feel non-sexual relationships aren't valid.