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Star Trek 2009 missed the point on virtually every single character and the entire thrust of the Star Trek ethos.

I agree. Which is sad because I still like the first movie. But I have to think of it as a completely separate thing because everything is so different. It is not the same characters or the same universe at all. Even accounting for the timeline changes they are still too different to be the same people.

I've decided to head canon it as Nimoy!Spock being wrong about it being time travel. It was flat out alternate universe travel all along, it was never the same timeline and always an alternate universe like in Mirror Mirror and the lack of Goatees just threw him for a loop. Just the timeline was a little slower (and some universal laws about warp travel) were off a little.

Now that's a great way to look at it. Though I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of Romulus being destroyed in the main universe. But still this is a much better way to look at it.

But I'm still ignoring Into Darkness because the characterization there couldn't even be alternates of our characters.

Romulus going boom is okay, I just think that there must have been a subspace wedgie under its star or maybe those Omega particles they wittered about in Voyager to explain the threatened the galaxy part (JJ ABrams sucks on spacial scale worse than George "Slow afternoon to Bespin" Lucas) of the set up. The idea of a Romulan diaspora following the massive implosion of their home empire does have solid real world applicability after all, especially if Section 31 were behind it and responsible for Spock only being in time to save everyone else. That would prove an excellent set up for a New Trek series if they were brave enough to take that path and show where Star Trek could succeed where America has failed.

That's actually a great idea. And probably better than the show CBS is coming up with. Though I'll still watch because its Star Trek and I can't help myself.

They flat out said in the movie that Nero coming back and messing with things created an alternate timeline that diverged from the original Trek timeline.

Romulus is still exist in the main universe.

No it doesn't? Yes, Nero's time travel created an alternate timeline. But in the original timeline Romulus is destroyed.

You are confusing Vulcan and Romulus. Romulus being destroyed in the real Trek universe kicks of the wormhole thing which Spock and Nero pile through to the doucheTrek verse where Nero blows up Vulcan (and if the producers were as edgy as they claim to be, it would have been Earth that went boom)there. So Vulcan exists, Romulus doesn't.

09 was good on the characters IMO

STID was not

It was good on the character of George Kirk, George Kirk Jr., and Captain Robau. It sucked on the characters of Kirk, Spock, Sulu, Chekov, and Pike. And also Olsen, but his death was kinda hilarious. It was broadly neutral on Bones and Scotty. Uhura was the one who really got shafted in it, I mean big time. To the point that I am convinced there were two Nyota Uhuras in Starfleet and we saw the wrong one.

I think it got Kirk well but I accept that people disagree.

Spock is a genuinely complicated character so I can cut them a bit of slack here.

Sulu and Chekov, I accept, but there's always been times wheere they had a sort of trope-y secondary characterdom to them at times and I can't get too mad that the movie went down that root.

So to me, Bones, Scotty, and Kirk were decent-to-good, Sulu and Chekov were fine, and Spock and Uhura were the only ones that weren't well done. So that's not so bad overall.

DA -- To put it in the geekiest terms possible, the problem with the characterization in the reboot is that everyone's Chaotic. In the original, Bones and Scotty were the only main characters that were strongly chaotic good to start off with, so they got off the easiest in the reboot.

Yep. It's an old tune by now, but I'm stilling subscribing to your channel.

This all the way. Yeah, it was a reasonably fun movie, but ultimately incredibly disappointing and such a waste of what Star Trek could have been.

That was my first immediate response as well, so I definitely agree. I hope the new tv show can fix it somehow.

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