[ SECRET POST #3370 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3370 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

09. http://i.imgur.com/d64XnQr.png

[(Anonymous)]

idk, I saw quite a lot of love for Eileen on my dash. I only saw a few actual fics involving her but I mostly follow people who ship wincest so it's not like I expected them to stop wincesting. Just because people don't write a lot fic about a character who was only in one episode doesn't mean they don't appreciate her existence

[(Anonymous)]

sa

Also, the Eileen Leahy/Sam Winchester tag on AO3 has 44 entries. Obviously that's not a TON for a huge fandom like Supernatural but it's actually pretty good for a character who was in, I reiterate, one single episode.

[51stcenturyfox]

Waaaat? I'm stoked. I'll look for some to read, because I do ship Sam/Eileen.

I hope they bring her back, just in general for a hunt or something. Without offing her.

Wouldn't mind having her inherit the Men of Letters bunker someday, either, if nobody wants to stay there.

[(Anonymous)]

Not sure why you'd expect people who enjoy slash to suddenly write or be interested in femmeslash or even gen just because a character's disabled, even if they want more representation.

And fic isn't the only means of showing support for a character. Well, for most people anyway...you're obviously specially superior to everyone else on tumblr. Good for you.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's because of the slashers who say, "well, I wouldn't read/write slash exclusively if there were more female characters who XYZ."

[(Anonymous)]

na

I don't think I've ever seen anyone say that but it sounds annoying

[(Anonymous)]

That's so frustrating. (And I'm saying this as someone who enjoys slash.) Just admit that you've got a thing for guy-on-guy action, don't pretend that it's some how been ~forced upon you~ by a lack of female characters.

[(Anonymous)]

sa

Got any links to someone saying bs like that? Because I've been in fandom for almost 20 years, all of that in slash aspects of fandom, and I've never seen anyone say that (I know, I know doesn't mean someone hasn't said it, but I don't think it's that common). I sure wouldn't. Do I want interesting/awesome female characters? Yes, I do. But I don't want to write or read fic about them. I want m/m slash. I have no obligation to write or read fic about female characters just because they're female.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never seen that, the pure slashers I know readily admit that they're just into slash period.

[(Anonymous)]

this is somewhat true with me, tbh. i read mostly slash but if there are my kinda het ships in a show, i do ship them, too (but i'm very picky and there's only been some i love to bits, like... peter/olivia, lincoln/octavia, chandler/monica, snow/charming... mostly shows with ensemble cast with wonderful female characters) and often there just isn't enough female characters i find interesting to ship. idk...

but yes, i've seen this said, too (and not by me, i mean.)

[(Anonymous)]

Writing fic and shipping is not the only way of being a fan of a character or being affected by that character. Arguably it's not even the most significant way of doing it. The lack of fic is not evidence that no one cares about her. It's evidence that they don't care about her in the same way that they care about characters they ship.

Which, yeah, people who say they slash because they're "aren't enough good women characters" are full of shit, but they always are and it's not particularly news to point that out. Nor is it even that significant a point, unless you have some problem with shipping as a thing that revolves around people you want to smooch or at least want to see smooch, which is largely is.

[(Anonymous)]

Can someone translate that second paragraph for me?

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I was trying to respond to a post in a different subthread, and also I wrote it shitty because I'm hungry.

What I'm saying is:

1) yes, the fact that no one is writing shippy fic for this character is probably evidence that the people who say "I only ship slash because there are no good female characters" are full of shit.

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2) Those people are obviously talking nonsense, and have been forever, and we should probably mostly just move on from the whole idea. It's not really worth disproving.

Especially because

3) There's not actually anything wrong with shipping people primarily because you want to see them smooch. It's fine. Debunking the argument isn't worth the effort because who cares that shipping often centers around attraction. Especially since (fitting in with the first paragraph) shipping is only one specific thing within fandom.

Does that make more sense or am I still talking nonsense?

[(Anonymous)]

Things I want to see in shows = diversity that reflects our real life society and characters having agency

Things I want to read about = hot guys (whatever skin color) who have complex relationships boning


These are two separate things for me and probably lots of other people too.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't think there's a little bit of a double standard there? Shows and fic both exist to entertain. I don't necessarily look for reality in either.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Well no, not really. Fic has, for me, always been a romantic/sexual thing. For whatever reason, I only dig romance when it's about two guys. The pairings I go for tend to be guys in media who have complex relationships. Ergo, the fic I read tends to be about guys with complex relationships.

Media in general, I like a variety of characters and have no preferences.

[(Anonymous)]

DA - Preferences are not double standards. I hate romance in film format. HATE. I do not want to watch it in any way. I do not see any 'chemistry' and the moment it turns romantic I tend to lose interest in the entire show. Bleh.

I love romantic plotlines in writing, especially fanfic. I'm sure others are the same way. The stuff you like to read about in fanfic is sometimes the stuff you don't want in canon, and vice versa (which is one reason it seems like grimdark media seems to generate a significant amount of fluff, and fluff media generates grimdark fandom)

[tabaqui]

*raises hand*

For me, too. I don't want *every* show or movie i watch to be a m/m sausage fest, but i predominantly read m/m fic.

What i *want* in my tv/movies is more representation where the gay/trans/disabled/mentally ill person is just *a character*, and not a Very Special Episode. And it would be nice if bisexual people could actually exist in the world of Hollywood. Or even the word.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Randy on Trailer Park Boys is my favorite bi character.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much this.

[(Anonymous)]

One-episode characters pretty much never get a high volume of fic.

I don't know why you expected this character to be the exception.

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you so sure they're the exact same group of people doing those things, though?

Liking a ship is totally separate from liking a character, anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, frig, it's Supernatural? Yeah, forget it. I'm not gonna sit through ten damn seasons of that show just to be able to see her.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, you could always just watch that one episode (Into the Mystic) for her.

Yeah, there's arc-related stuff going on in, but it's basically a Monster-of-the-Week episode. You don't actually need to know anything more than "this is a show about two brothers who hunt monsters" for the plot to make sense.