fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #3390 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3390 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02. http://i.imgur.com/TosMoCO.gif
[moving gif, Jensen Ackles]

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[Animal Crossing]

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[Amanda Palmer]

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[Shadowhunters TV show]

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[Iggy Pop, David Bowie]

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[The Magicians]

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14. [SPOILERS for Far Cry 4]

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15. [SPOILERS for Friendship Is Magic, season 6's première]

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16. [SPOILERS for Dangan Ronpa]

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17. [WARNING for alleged assault and stuff]

[Trailer Park Boys]

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18. [WARNING for non-con/rape/abuse]

[A Song of Ice and Fire, Outlast]

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19. [WARNING for rape]

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20. [WARNING for non-con/dub-con]

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You never denied it and seem to be arguing that man-on-women abuse is smalltime so.

Denied what? I'm saying ships where the male sexually abuses and mutilates the female aren't exactly commonplace. That the best rebuttal I can get is 50 Shades of Grey just furthers my point.

Sexual abuse is commonplace (that's exactly what happens in 50 Shades, which is accepted by a far larger audience than some weirdos in fandom), but you seem desperate about the genital mutilation, as though that's your only leg to stand on. Do you find media like 50 Shades totally fine, OP? Do you also share this same outrage against the people shipping Sansa with Ramsay (her rapist), Joffrey, or The Hound?

50 Shades of Gray is about a consensual relationship. Messed up but it's not about a guy kidnapping a woman against her will.

Thramsay is about a psychopath torturing another man to the point where he's barely human and practically insane. And it's probably one of the most popular ASOIAF ships right now. It's not some messed up BDSM relationship between two gay men with abusive tendencies, it's straight up torture and dehumanization by a guy who's favorite past time involves hunting naked women in the woods.

And if Ramsay/Sansa was a popular ship... then YES. I'd be bothered. But it's not. Same with Joffrey. Sandor/Sansa isn't comparable as for all its issues it's clear both care about each other and that Sandor was constantly protective of her.

50 Shades of Gray is about a consensual relationship

Stopped reading there.

kek you're a sansan shipper, that explains everything

DA

Do you really think their relationship is comparable to her relationships with Joffrey or Ramsay?

It's weird that you're more bothered by this than the myriad of normalized abuse against women in sooooo many forms of fiction. Compare how much animated, published hentai there is that involves female characters getting horrifically abused than males, for one thing. I had the misfortune of watching "Euphoria" the other day.

You're under the impression that I'm bothered by Ramsay's storyline with Theon or the bride storyline in Outlast. I'm not. That's not what the secret is about.

I never implied that? I'm under the impression you like pointing fingers at girls who get off to male-on-male abuse yet seem totally complacent for those who get off on male-on-female abuse, something that has been pointed out to you as far more prevalent, normalized, and just as gruesome.

The crux of your argument seems to be that shipping and thramsay fanfic is a million times worse than the myriad of wide reaching hentai and Western porn that involves guro, rape, etc.

DA

I for one find ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL OF IT abhorrent. But the secret wasn't talking about the myriad gross shit in fiction on the M/F side, so I personally just noted that I think this shit is disgusting and the girls who do it get a HUGE fucking stink-eye from me because it's gross. Yes, I am kinkshaming, for shame, for shame. But everyone pointing out that there is far less fictional "shipping" of male characters who literally mutilate and torture their female victims isn't the same as condoning when it does happen in fandom.

But yeah, as someone who ships both slash and het (and femslash), I see this trope far more often in slash/yaoi. Brutal enemies are regularly made into butt buddies, when in canon one is disemboweling the other like gutting a fish. Manipulative, psychotic bastard who burns someone to death while choking them and also tries to kill the master of a loyal warrior with a bomb? Better made "hot" dubcon (and somehow it's always dubcon, as if the character just finally consents to being fucked by a guy who he'd love to wear his intestines as a belt and hates with every fiber of his being) doujinshi or fanfic! Creepy torture psycho wants to cut off that guy's head and make out with him? Omg soooooooooooooooooooo cuuuuute.

Seriously, one can actually comment on these disturbing trends while not condoning the M/F shit that goes on. And I think actively "shipping" something (insisting there is a relationship there, even implying it's not totally one-sided on the serial rapist/killer's end) is different from the existence of guro and rape oneshots. I see fa, far less actual "shipping" and investment in M/F tortureporn ships. This doesn't mean one is "worse" than the other, like I said above, both are abhorrent to me, but we can talk about the trends in slash fandom without dragging out every single instance of how M/F stuff is bad too.

I find it so disingenuous and annoying when people break out the "leave the little girls alone!!" line when someone dares critique slash fandom though. Can we not for once?

I find it so disingenuous and annoying when people break out the "leave the little girls alone!!" line when someone dares critique slash fandom though. Can we not for once?

Maybe when men are shamed about as often as women are for their kinks, sure, but that's not the reality we live in. Fuck off.

Who the hell do you think is shaming all these women for their kinks? It ain't men!

Poor womynz

Eat a dick, faggot.

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