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(Anonymous) 2016-05-15 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)Also, his singing voice is maybe not the greatest.
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(Anonymous) 2016-05-15 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)Honestly the whole Genesis fiasco is a different animal altogether. Phil was hated by many of the "hardcore" fans of the day. My mom has been a lifelong Genesis fan and she remembers when Phil Collins took over. People saw him as a traitor for continuing the band, when really Peter Gabriel gave the rest of them no choice when he fled for solo stardom. They all seem to be really good friends, Phil himself did a lot of the drums on Peter's debut album, but yeah, it was kind of a matter of a devoted group of fans who considered themselves "alternative" and "cool" for being into the heavily stylistic, performative pieces of early Peter-era Genesis.
The criticism is entirely unwarranted, Phil knocked it out of the park with things like "Mama" and "Home By The Sea", and was producing plenty of the same sort of offbeat, strange stuff that Genesis had been known for. There's a reason why the creepy, atmospheric "Mama" isn't on the radio playlists after all, it's an amazing song but it doesn't have the mainstream appeal that things like "Turn It On Again" and "That's All" do.
As for his voice not being the greatest...obviously I'm biased but...nuh-uh. From a technical standpoint Phil Collins has an amazing voice, the different ranges he can hit, his signature lilt, he has an incredible talent in addition to being one of the best drummers around. (Any doubt on that, go check out "Drums, Drums and More Drums" on youtube, a 10 minute opus of Phil rocking out with fellow drummers.
No, Phil has gotten a lot of hate mainly for a few things:
One, "In The Air Tonight" is possibly one of the most recognizable songs in the entire world. EVERYBODY knows that iconic drumline. With popularity of that magnitude comes a proportional amount of haters.
Two, Phil Collins is...well, not model handsome. I think he's actually kind of cute, and I've always loved his sense of humour about his unassuming looks (watch the "I Can't Dance" video to see what I mean), but he's been made fun of for being short and balding basically since forever.
Three, Disney. Having hit Disney songs apparently means you're badwrongevil?
Four, South Park did some jokes that sort of cemented the whole "eww Phil Collins is stooooopid" hype train.
It's really unfortunate considering the massive success and talent this man has. When I saw him in concert, it was one of the most amazing concerts I've ever been to simply because of how high energy it was. Watching Phil run around the stage sweating bullets and emoting the entire time was just incredible. When you realize that he was doing this with a shoulder injury that made it agony for him to play the drums, and an inner-ear issue that made it hard for him to hear himself sing? All the more impressive.
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(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 03:17 am (UTC)(link)1) There are many, many songs every bit as recognizable as "In The Air Tonight", if not more so, whose artists don't get half the amount of hate that Collins gets. You're right that popularity tends to draw more attention and that some of that attention will be negative, but it's not really as simple as Collins having a popular song = haterade. Otherwise imagine how much hate Queen would get for the bassline of "Under Pressure".
2) Phil Collins is hardly the only musician of his era who is not "model handsome". Last time I checked, Brian Eno is also an old bald guy, and he wasn't exactly a hottie back in the day, either. Dude looked like Riff Raff from Rocky Horror, and yet... no hate, only respect both as a musician and a producer.
3) This might be the biggest reach of all. Tarzan is hardly the highest profile Disney movie, and other musicians have written/performed songs in more popular Disney flicks without garnering the sort of criticism Collins has received. Elton John, anyone? By your reasoning, he should be smothered under a mountain of hate for the songs from Lion King, all of which were better known than "You'll Be in My Heart".
4) Oh, honey. That episode didn't air until 2000, and I promise you that the anti-Phil Collins sentiment had been going strong for at least a decade by then. Not only are you overestimating influence of South Park, you've missed the fact that when they lampoon a famous person on the show, they're not doing so as cutting edge humor, they're doing so because it's like shooting fish in a barrel-- to score easy comedy points. Phil Collins was an easy comedy point by 2000.
I applaud your passion and dedication to the man's music, but I think that same passion clouds your ability to be objective about why people dislike him.
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(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 07:46 am (UTC)(link)I applaud your passion and dedication to the man's music, but I think that same passion clouds your ability to be objective about why people dislike him.
This is needlessly patronizing. In fact your entire comment is pretty patronizing. Oh, honey indeed. Pray tell why do people dislike Phil Collins then? Because I've also seen the vitriolic hate train and have never really seen a reason for it. The man seems to be even tempered, he's never been in the news for, oh I don't know, smacking around his wife or for statutory rape (and yet people still lick those star's boots clean). Your comment makes it sound as if he deserves said hate.
OP might feel passionate about his music, but that in no way makes them not objective. Did it ever occur to anybody that a musician getting popular in a way that a)going by another comment half the original fanbase didn't like, and b)known for making "cheesy pop songs" could just be the perfect storm for which every incident that OP mentioned only stirred the pot even more? I remember when Tarzan came out and there was a ton of Phil Collins jokes directly related to Tarzan and his songs.
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(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 07:58 am (UTC)(link)I really like Phil Collins too, OP.
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(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)1) Bullshit. Why do you think so many damn people hate people like Katy Perry and Nicki Minaj? Many people hate musicians because they have popular songs. It's like how people hate Twilight because it's popular. Yeah the book is bad, but it's not Mein Kampf or My Immortal. And last time anyone checked, there are people out there who hate Queen and Freddie Mercury, especially the homophobes. Adele is talented and well loved, but it doesn't mean that people out there don't hate her caterwauling just because her songs are "good."
2) Yeah okay, but that still doesn't mean people don't hate any aging person that isn't Patrick Stewart or Ian Mckellen. Paul McCartney is very aged and yet people are mocking him like hell and basing his talent off his looks. Even worse with women. Shit happens. Look at Ringo Starr too. Everyone hated him and yet as he got older it's like the hate only increased. Looks make a huge impact, that's why no one takes "old rockers" seriously anymore.
3) Nah, OP has a point. Doesn't matter if Disney has a big fanbase, thousands of people hate the company and it's animated musicals. Even worse if you're associated with the company too. Why do you think no one takes the "My Reflection" song seriously anymore? And a LOT of people hate Elton John not only for his arrogance but for "Can You Feel the Love Tonight." So many jokes were made about that in the 90s-2000s.
4) The biggest mistake of all. You don't know jack shit about South Park or how Matt Stone and Trey Parker work. Everything they do is based on everything they hate. Why do you think Kyle is like the arrogant asshole who knows better than everyone in his town who acts stupid. He's their forced VOR. People always say "you can't be funny if you truly hate something," but that's not the case with SP. They hate just about anything, and because they have a gigantic fanbase of anti-liberal teenage boys, anti-sjws, and yaoi obsessed tween girls, they have the massive power to destroy the image of anything. Why do you think people still make jokes about manbearpig on articles about whenever Al Gore does something or the even more annoying "gayfish" shit with Kanye. He even still talks about how whenever he goes out in public people still make the joke at him! They don't give a shit about "easy comedy." That's an insult on the writer's part because some of what they say is actually smart. They just take advantage of their show as a way to attack people or whatever they hate each week.
Also, FYI, South Park has a massive vendetta against Phil Collins. OP is right. It's the same thing with Samurai Jack. SP lost out to both on an award they weren't likely to win, and they're still bitter about it even to this day in interviews! Just go and listen for yourself. They have all these new awards and yet they're still mad at Genndy Tartakovsky and Phil. Oh and the mormons too, even if it's a playful hate.
"I applaud your passion and dedication to attacking OP by pulling shit out of your ass, but I think that same passion clouds your ability to be objective about why OP has a point (in addition to your lack of comprehension about how South Park works too).
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(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 07:07 am (UTC)(link)Sorry, but different strokes for different folks. I find Phil Collins' voice to be unbearably nasal. It's like nails on a chalkboard for me.
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