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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-05-15 04:24 pm

[ SECRET POST #3420 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3420 ⌋

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OP here!

(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
I just want to clarify that this is my only post in this entire thread so far, as judging by some of the responses, I think some people think I was their angry anon. I've been busy all day and only just got to check F!S.

As for why I think aro/aces are less in need of representation, it's like some other people have said: we're not the ones who get assaulted, bullied, kicked out, fired, or put through conversion therapy. 13-year-olds on the internet don't say "that's so ace" when they mean "that's dumb". We don't even have a slur associated with us. We're invisible, and while that's not ideal and I'd like it to change someday, the prejudice we receive is passive, not active; it's obliviousness, not hatred. It isn't the same as being murdered or having people picket our existence or tell us to kill ourselves.

(Maybe I'm being unfair to my fellow aro/aces by saying this, though. I tend to feel like I specifically, and my problems, are less important than other people's, which sometimes leads to me saying things I might not say in the context of anybody else's life.)

More representation, especially in media aimed at children, is one method of hacking away at homophobia. It's slow. It's subtle. But I think it does something. A lesbian character who is well-rounded and portrayed positively takes a tiny bit away from the stereotypes and gunk that people kinda take for granted. No, TV shows won't do much on the federal level, but the more we can normalize the presence of LGBTQIA+ people, the better.

Really, the only reason the thought of a gay Elsa annoys me is because...it's not my headcanon. That's all. Tbh, I think I'd be outright pissed if they made Elsa straight. I don't automatically notice the parallels, but I can see them when they're pointed out, and yeah, her role is pretty much coded as "gay character is outed". I wouldn't be satisfied, but it would fit and I'd accept it.

Re: OP here!

(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Man OP. Your one secret started a massive shitstorm of anon on anon violence with one entitled LGB asshole telling someone who was Ace/aro to fuck off. Then another guy (I'm aro/ace on the internet for the sake of making you look bad) jumped in and attacked the aro/ace anon too.

It's really not your fault. Fandoms are pretty violent for some reason. Your interpretation is okay, and you're not an asshole.

But you're wrong on several levels. "We don't even have a slur associated with us." Yeah you guys do. It's called "prude." If "slut" is a massive no-no slur nowadays then so is prude.

Re: OP here!

(Anonymous) 2016-05-16 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I wouldn't think of prude as an aro/ace thing? I mean it may be used for that, but I always thought it was more of 'disapproves of sex' rather than 'doesn't want sex' Like when I think prude I think "Your sex is gross, my lovemaking is pure and wholesome. I write love scenes, you write filth." Like I think of it being applied to "You don't want me masturbating on the couch when you have guests over, are you some kind of prude?" with the implicating being it's bad to disprove of the masturbation without much implication of the other person's sexuality.
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Re: OP here!

[personal profile] beverlykatz 2016-05-17 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
"Prude" isn't an anti-ace/aro slur though, it's a sexist term for women. A slur is designed to target a specific group of people. Asexuals may be called prudes, but the word prude isn't used to refer to asexuals as a whole in the way fag is used to refer to gay men, for example.

Re: OP here!

(Anonymous) 2016-05-17 05:59 am (UTC)(link)
"Prude" has nothing to do with sexism. Anybody can be a prude and it's sometimes associated with belief systems.