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⌈ Secret Post #3425 ⌋

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[Final Fantasy VII/Super Smash Bros]

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[The Girls Next Door, Bridget Marquardt, Holly Madison, Kendra Wilkinson]

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[Pokémon Sun and Moon]

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[Love and Lies]

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[Aoishiro]

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[The Hunger Games]

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09. [SPOILERS for Houdini and Doyle]

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10. [SPOILERS for Pokemon SM]

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11. [SPOILERS for The Witcher/Dragon Age]

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12. [SPOILERS for Cupid]
[WARNING for rape, incest]

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13. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

["Blurred Lines", Robin Thicke]

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I mean, you also have to remember that this is a novel series that the publishers wanted to market toward a broad audience. I remember seeing 11 and 12 year olds reading this book. In America, middle schoolers can handle death and violence apparently but not sex.

Yep.

There's a family friend who was twin sons that age and we were talking about movies once and he mentioned not wanting them to see some particular movie, and he was quick to assure me that it wasn't because of all the violence, but he really doesn't want them to see a movie with sex in it! Which of course I think is ridiculous, but anyway.

The next time movies came up and he mentioned something about a movie being violent I said "But hey, as long as there's no sex, right?" in a really sarcastic voice, and he either didn't notice or chose to ignore the sarcasm and once again said that he has no problem with them seeing something no matter how violent it is, but it better not have any sex.

It's just really bizarre to me.

That double standard is very deeply entrenched in American culture. So deep that most people would never realize it on their own, and even if it's pointed out to them, they're likely to get defensive about it rather than having an epiphany about how as a society, we're okay with seeing peoples' heads blown off, but even consensual sex between adults is a huge no no.

You don't even need actual sex, a glimpse at a female nipple is enough to get the pearl-clutchers into their "think of the children" frenzy while the exploding heads left and right don't even raise an eyebrow.

You people are a bunch of moronic prudes. Wow. Of course American kids can't handle that kind of shit. Most kids can't. But not in the way adults think. What is it with people who think "oh we should let kids watch porn and teach them about sex when they're three because they're totally enlightened and never impressionable!" There's so many damn feminists out there who think that children should be allowed to see sexual pics in their books or that "look at Europe! If Europe does it then the kids must be okay!" Just because some young male was exposed to porn at a young age doesn't mean he'll automatically understand consent or respect women. Just because you tell kids about sex doesn't mean they'll just go "oh" and move on with their lives.

This whole stupid situation isn't a one way street where America is wrong and everyone else is right. There's two arguments that you people would learn if you actually spoke to Europeans. Many of them think America is puritan and many of then think its a country full of sex crazed morons who put sex into everything.

It's almost as if everyone in this comment chain is like "I'm from the deep south, so if WE weren't taught about sex, NO ONE AT ALL was taught about it in this country."

*gives you coffee, a cold shower, and a Care Bear stuffie*

Let kids be kids. Holy shit. Also, people have stupid ideas about violence. This isn't some HBO show where people get heads blown off and it's graphic or some snuff film shit. It's a children's book. It's people attacking each other in ways that are so damn mild in comparison to what you'd see at some foreign art house festival.

Troll, please. Did you READ Hunger Games? There were kids getting torn apart and eaten alive by animals wearing the faces of other dead kids they knew. The movie had kids hallucinating and being stung to death by giant wasps and you get to watch Katniss prying a weapon out of her bloated, rigor mortised hand.

I mean, really, you can argue all damn day what's appropriate for children, but let's not pretend Hunger Games was a happy funtimes cartoon violence fest.

Not to mention, may of us on here grew up with The Animorphs. That entire series was written for a younger audience than The Hunger Games and you had a character that was CUT IN HALF while she was morphed and ended up with TWO of her a la Capt. Kirk in that one TOS episode and then you had the book where they morphed into ANTS and nearly completely LOST THEMSELVES because of Ant instincts and they were nearly mutilated because of it. Then there's all the freakin' nightmare fuel with the Yeerks in general.

Then that one alein dude who was freakin' nightmare fuel IN GENERAL and I think was the one that fused with Ax at the end of the series.

Then the Andelites dropped a freakin' virus that killed off nearly an entire species because the Yeerks found them.

Or Axc's "friend" who ended up morphed and stuck in a TAXXON morph, a beast that was ALWAYS hungry and would cannibalize themselves and he nearly did that and and...

Also, PTSD FROM THE FUCKING WAR TO BEGIN WITH. I MEAN, THESE KIDS WERE 13 OR SO WHEN THEY STARTED AND WERE 16/17 BY THE END OF THE SERIES. That series didn't end happily AT ALL. The two major OTPs of that series DIDN'T get happy endings at all. One just fell apart because Jake couldn't cope well and Cassie just tried to move on and the other one ended when RACHEL FUCKING KILLED HERSELF TO KILL HER COUSIN AND THE YEERK THAT WAS IN HIS HEAD BECAUSE THEY COULD NEVER GET THE YEERK SEPARATED FROM HIM and her LI, Tobias, was stuck in his Hawk morph and WAS gonna morph back into his normal human self to BE with her, but NOPE. He took it so badly he basically went into seclusion and it's hinted at that he basically went feral and yeah.

Kids can handle a lot, but you STILL have to take into consideration what is appropriate or not.

But the constant black and white view of either not censoring at all or censoring ALL TEH THINGS just...doesn't take into account what kids can and can't actually handle.

It's so stupid.

Man, I never read much of Animorphs, but I've heard stories. TERRIFYING stories. And then you have Roald Dahl's books, that shit could be DARK, man.

Like, I've mentioned on here before that I come from a pretty fucked-up rapey background. As a child (and I mean, eight to twelve age), we obsessively read adult memoirs of sexual assault and incest, not to mention a lot of Piers Anthony's creepy pedo stuff, and I think it was because we were trying to come to terms with what had happened to us. We lived in this bizarro twilight zone where rape was happening to us on a regular basis, but nobody would ever discuss it. So we jumped straight to adult lit that WOULD, even if they did it in really awful ways.

I'm not saying it was at all developmentally appropriate, but well. Our life wasn't being developmentally appropriate either. Nowadays, at least, there's more resources out there... man, I wish I'd had Scarleteen's Safety Plan as a teen.

So yeah, I have a lot of complicated but intense feelings about what kids can and can't handle. I mean, it's definitely a very hard line to walk, and I can understand why people fight about it. It's very raw personal territory for so many people, you know?

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You people need to do research

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What is it with the obsession with making sure kids see sex???

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