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Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

People are freaking over all kinds of things, it is fun to watch the different groups.

Story-> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/outrage-grows-after-gorilla-harambe-shot-dead-cincinnati-zoo-save-n582706?cid=sm_fb

Groups I've seen so far:
-There are less gorillas in the world than humans. Thus the gorilla is more valuable than the stupid kid.
-The parents should be charged with child abuse or killing an animal or *insert why these people are the worst ever*
-People defending the parents who say that kids are sneaky little escape artists who can get into all kinds of shit if you take your eyes off them for 2 seconds.
-People who (rightfully) say that the zoo should have better barriers that a 3 (or 4) year old can't get thru by themselves (as opposed to the more common being dropped when a parent holds them over the barrier).

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

they should have killed all the human beings in the zoo and let the gorilla rule over it as a noble animal king

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

People blaming the parents are annoying. Yes, parents need to watch their kids, but kids can and do escape.

The zoo should have better barriers. They must know that a lot of kids come there. A toddler shouldn't be able to get into a cage.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[blitzwing]

People blaming the parents are annoying. Yes, parents need to watch their kids, but kids can and do escape.

There are child leashes.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

People blaming the parents are annoying. Yes, parents need to watch their kids, but kids can and do escape.

It's still the parents' fault, because if they'd raised the kids right to begin with the kids wouldn't "escape".

We went to the zoo all the time when I was a kid and because my mom actually did her damn job as a parent and educated us on how to behave in public, especially when we were in a situation with dangerous large animals around, there was never an issue.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

There are kids at the zoo every day and they make it out alive without getting inside any cages, how did this kid manage to do it? Because his parents are crappy.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

That's an incoherent analysis. With any system like this, there are going to be situations where unpredictable and dangerous events happen. The point of designing the system is to decrease as far as possible the negative outcomes which can ensue from those events. The zoo failed at doing this.

In other words, it is a statistical certainty that - given that a certain number of people with children given the park - a certain number will get loose. That's a fact that the zoo has to reckon with to design a safe zoo. And they did not sufficiently reckon with it. Therefore, it's their fault.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a new pen that has only been up for about a year.

The barriers are a fense with huge gaps and some bushes. The kid managed to do it because that is a shitty barrier.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[blitzwing]

I watched the video and...I think it's really ridiculous how the gorilla is made out to be violent and "manhandling" and crap when...IT'S A GORILLA FFS. Wild animals don't treat their young as delicately as we do. It didn't look like rough or malevolent treatment to me, and the fact that the little boy was overall unharmed after the treatment bears that out.

So why did the gorilla need to be killed?

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean...he was dragging the kid through water by his legs. It looked like very rough treatment and could have accidentally killed the child. And first responders said the gorilla was getting agitated and started throwing the child.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm more angry about the idiot who tried to kill himself by climbing into the lion cage. The animals ended up paying the price for the human idiocy in that case as well. I can forgive a retarded kid, but not a grown adult.

http://fox6now.com/2016/05/22/zoo-officials-killed-two-lions-to-save-suicidal-man-who-jumped-into-big-cats-enclosure/

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen a lot of coverage of this story, some with people freaking out because they thought the gorilla was attacking the kid, and others freaking out because it looked to them like the gorilla was trying to protect the kid and keep him from drowning. And plenty of people freaking out for the sake of freaking out, because of course.

I don't know what to think anymore.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

Gorillas are not violent animals and anyone who works at a fucking ZOO should know that. There was no rationality behind the shooting. It was shot because people are hysterical fuckwits who think gorillas are dangerous just because they're big and scary-looking. There was more danger in shooting it because the shot could have missed and 1. Hit the child or 2. Hit neither but frightened the gorilla, causing it to react violently and accidentally harm the child. The parents and whoever else allowed it to be shot should be fined heavily or thrown in jail. That's all I really care about. And if that kid was me, I'd have major guilt issues as soon as I was old enough to understand.

Fuck PETA as well, though.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[morieris]

That boy's gonna have a story to tell when he's older.

"What do you mean I'm too small to join the football team? I got dragged by a gorilla as a 3 year old!"

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[belladonna_took]

That last one was my first thought. There's usually a secure middle zone between the people and animals too to stop dumb people from trying to touch them. I guess the canal was supposed to be that in this instance, but it's clearly not enough.

I would understand not having that for a meerkat enclosure or something but gorillas?

I've taken twin boys to the zoo by myself, and yeah, they do want to be in the enclosures with the animals. You do have to be vigilant. Or get a leash. I don't know the circumstances, but even if you're in a kid-friendly environment, you still have to be paying attention 100% of the time. It's not a free babysitting service.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[dethtoll]

This happened at my city's zoo and it's as tragic as can be. :( Harambe was an icon.

I do blame the parent for this for not watching their child. Just earlier that day another parent was encouraging their kid to climb a post overlooking the cheetah exhibit. That kind of irresponsible behavior is appalling, and it's especially important when your child is very young -- 3, 4 -- that you keep an eye on them. We have child leashes for a reason.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

It's tragic the gorilla died, and fortunate the kid's okay. All the blame rests on the parent for not watching their kid in a public space with wild animals and strangers. But that doesn't mean that the mother should be held accountable... what is she supposed to do, buy them a new gorilla? Hopefully she's traumatized enough that she'll watch him like a hawk next time. Accidents happen, and everyone on both sides needs to calm the hell down. People are protesting FFS. Come on.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

The mother should consider herself lucky she didn't have to see the gorilla bite into her son's head and kill him. From the video it appeared to be relatively gentle with the boy, but who knows what could've happened. I doubt she learned any kind of lesson, however, about keeping her eyes on her kid.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[aenrhien]

I'm somewhere in the middle of "the zoo should have better barriers to keep dumb ass kids out of the enclosures" and "keep hold of your dumb ass kid if you know they like to escape". They even make child safety tethers specifically for kids who like to wander.

I do feel bad they had to put the gorilla down, but I feel they made the right choice in this situation. If they'd tried to tranq him and the kid had been hurt or killed, there would be an entirely different outrage going on, the zoo would be closed down, blah blah blah.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that zoos should be as childproof (and idiot-proof) as possible, but I'm not above blaming the parents to some extent. Yes, accidents happen, but YES, you should be watching your kids like a hawk when they are around wild, dangerous animals. Hold their damn hands. Just knowing how I've seen parents act around zoos, and letting their kids run crazy or even encouraging bad behavior - and knowing how stupid people are around wild animals in general - people need a definite reality check.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

It kills me in the video where she's yelling "mommy's here!" Where the fuck were you 5 minutes earlier when your kid went over the wall (and the other wall, and the hedge, and the moat)? Some people are just too damn stupid to be put in charge of human lives. Poor gorilla.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[dancingmouse]

Stories like this piss me off. Why are they killing an animal for acting like an animal? It's not like the Gorilla reached up and grabbed the kid. The kid fell into their pen. Cue to Gorillas reacting like Gorillas. It's not like they're domestic animals that have regular contact with Humans, so there's no need to kill a zoo animal, unless under extreme circumstances. This reminds me of Cinnamon Bear, a Wolf at the Brookfield Zoo (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2003-11-14/news/0311140210_1_zoo-officials-brookfield-zoo-gray-wolves)


I blame both the parent and the zoo. The parent should keep a closer eye on their child, especially since kids can and will escape when given the opportunity. Keep them in a stroller, or put them on a leash, if you know your kid is an escape artist.

Also, the Zoo needed to re-enforce the barriers before opening the exhibit to the public.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

The parents should have controlled the kid better AND the barrier should have been better built.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[(Anonymous)]

This proves that humans should be kept away from animals.

Re: Gorilla is killed when child falls into gorilla pen.

[diet_poison]

Yeah, sorry, I am inclined to blame the parents. The gorilla lost his life because the kid wasn't being watched. If he can't stay in one place when you tell him to you need to restrain him.

I also want to know more about the enclosure itself. I'd be really surprised if it wasn't a pretty serious enclosure and if it's not that needs to be rectified ASAP.

The person I do NOT blame is the zookeeper. They made a difficult choice but sadly I think it was the right one - you have to try to keep people safe. But that's a situation that never should have happened in the first place.