[ SECRET POST #3439 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3439 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[lupin sansei/lupin the third]


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[Pokemon]


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[Lord of the Rings]


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[Animorphs]


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[Dark Tower]


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08. [SPOILERS for Shin Megami Tensei IV]



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09. [WARNING for discussion of rape]


[Arthur Conan Doyle, Sherlock Holmes, "The Adventure of the Solitary Cyclist"]


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Comments

[fscom]

10. [WARNING for discussion of rape]

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[(Anonymous)]

You shouldn't feel bad for liking the stuff you like.

You should feel bad for being so fucking whiny about it.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

I don't care if you like stupid songs like Blurred Lines or whatever.
Most people who don't like the song (me included) don't hate people who like it, we just don't like Robin Thicke because (imo) he seems like a stupid fratboy.

People are allowed to like different things, you don't need to talk down and patronize others for not liking the same edgy crap that you do.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between finding a Bad Thing interesting and trying to excuse/normalise said Bad Thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't agree.

[(Anonymous)]

Most people don't take music seriously. They understand that (like most creative works) it is fictional and not something to freak out about. Music even moreso because many people lsiten to music without paying super close attention to lyrics.

[(Anonymous)]

The difference is intent imo.

[erinptah]

Yeah, the controversy over Blurred Lines is about whether the singer/producers/target audience seriously believe that date rape is sexy fun times.

And it's a reasonable fear, given that there are a ton of people who can't tell the difference between real-world date rape and sexy fun times.

Whereas it's easier to believe that the public in general, and Peter Gabriel in particular, don't approve of non-fictional stalking or breaking into people's homes to assault them.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. I haven't listened to the songs the OP is talking about, but they sound like they are intended to be creepy and disturbing, while Blurred Lines doesn't seem to realize that it is.

[(Anonymous)]

You make good points. I'm not sure why people would complain about a song like Intruder...but I'm sure there are people in HANNIBAL fandom that would do that on their tumblrs, LOL. (I'm in the fandom, in case anyone thinks I'm taking the piss.)

I actually do like a ton of songs with problematic lyrics, if I think about it. Sometimes the song's just catchy as fuck...Pumped Up Kicks, anyone?

I do draw the line at artists that sing about stuff like objectifying women and then...beat women, though. Chris Brown, cough cough.

[ketita]

....most of the songs I listen to aren't actually about any of that creepy stuff. I mean there's the song that's all "oh I miss you, I wish I could see you again", there's the "Istanbul was Constantinople", there's "I went to the mountain to pick orchids", there's "our love didn't work out in this life but maybe in the next one", "mackerel is really healthy and good for you" with drama, and the classic "you so hot I'm so hot (let's bang)".

Astonishingly, I have plenty of music to listen to. And while I didn't flip out about Blurred Lines, I wasn't a big fan of it, and found it kind of low-key gross.

[(Anonymous)]

I only recognize the first song you alluded to, and I would love to know the rest.

[(Anonymous)]

The secret wasn't about what you listen to and like, its about what OP likes. Just because you favor what seems to be mostly comedic songs doesn't really address what OP is driving at.

There are a lot of really great songs with kinda weird content. It's absurd for people to have this moral panic over it.

[arcadiaego]

And now I have Istanbul was Constantinople stuck in my head again as I have done for approximately 16% of my entire life.

[(Anonymous)]

Some songs are written to be dark and makes no excuses for it. Others, like Blurred Lines, give off an unintentionally creepy/rapey vibe and can validly be interpreted as such.

If Peter Gabriel came and said that it was completely fine to be a home intruder and a rapist it would create a backlash, but he's just written/sings about a dark story and that's fine.

[sarillia]

I think the fact that it's not up to interpretation is why fewer people complain about the songs you're talking about. It's not that songs like Blurred Lines are (if you agree with the complaints) about dark things that most people are complaining about. It's that the creators don't acknowledge what it sounds like. It's that to some people it sounds fun and to others it sounds horrifying. If everyone agreed it sounded horrifying, we wouldn't have the controversy.

[(Anonymous)]

You don't get the point of the controversy. It's not that it's about rape, it's that the song has the dude saying all this rape-like-things in a pop song played it out as normal flirty tame stuff, and shit. Nobody cares if you like to listen to songs about fucking dogs or whatever as long as it's not actually condoning it.

[(Anonymous)]

"How do people stand to listen to any music?"

Oh, please. Not this crap. First of all, not all music has dark lyrics. Hell, not all music HAS lyrics. The fact that your person favorites do have darker lyrics doesn't mean that people who don't like that kind of thing don't listen to any music.

Then, as other people have said, there are songs that are dark ON PURPOSE, where the artist realizes they are writing about something creepy (and it sounds like the songs you mentioned are those kind). In those cases, it's pretty obvious that the creepy stuff is not being condoned. Blurred lines is different because people see some creepy noncon-like stuff in the lyrics, but the song isn't meant to be creepy and dark. It's the lack of awareness and the fact that the song seems to be presenting the behavior in a positive light that bothers people.

[(Anonymous)]

"Dreaming While You Sleep" is one of my favorite songs too. I haven't heard Blurred Lines or Intruder but for DWYS, it's clear in the song that the guy who ran over the girl was wracked with guilt about it. Clearly, he was in the wrong and knew it so I don't think it's a very good example for your argument.

I will agree that it sucks when people make pronouncements about you just from what you listen to, same with what you watch/read/etc.

Hey, Genesis fan!

[(Anonymous)]

I was in a discussion of Genesis songs elsewhere online, and someone seemed surprised at how highly two of us rated "Dreaming While You Sleep." I honestly didn't expect to see it mentioned here.

[(Anonymous)]

I get you OP. I like the song "Harder to Breath" by Maroon 5. I know that the narrator is creepy as fuck and his relationship with his girlfriend (?) is really not right.

However that's why I find it fascinating. That doesn't mean I don't realize he's a creep. I do. I just find it an interesting song.

[(Anonymous)]

OP, were you actually expecting people on this comm to not go full-on batshit crazy Puritanical over a song? Look at the stupid excuses they're giving in this thread. "But it's different! These attitudes are prevalent in real life! Rape is different from murder! The songwriters and performers don't understand how problematic they're being! Or they don't care! This is a very special case that is especially BAD AND WRONG because reasons!"

You know, I read an article this week about The Marshall Mathers LP, and how revolutionary it was at that time, how it was a triumph of free speech that would cause mass hysteria today. And it pointed out that when it was released, Dick Cheney's wife tried to get age restricions put on it because she thought it was so bad. DICK CHENEY'S WIFE. Think about this, regressive left. This is what you have become when you rant about evil media. God, it's like the whole world is upside down.

[(Anonymous)]

Well said, OP.

[(Anonymous)]

But like, Robin Thicke is a douche.

[arcadiaego]

Because the overwhelming majority of it is not cheery songs saying rape is sexy with the exact same words that are used in real life to excuse it? No one's problem with Blurred Lines is that it *mentions something bad*.

On the other hand I think that it's quite possible to enjoy something while acknowledging that it's problematic. Personally Blurred Lines, erm, oversteps the line for me but I'm sure Tumblr would condemn some of my tastes. I just try and understand the whole context.