[ SECRET POST #3442 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3442 ⌋

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Comments

[kallanda_lee]

I feel there's definitely a sex-negative current in recent fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I think people are criticizing things that previously were not criticized. I'm not sure that's the same thing as being sex-negative as such, and if throwing everyone talking about things that way into a bucket labelled 'sex-negative' is fair.

[(Anonymous)]

Today an artist just got harassed and death threats over the fact someone deemed 30 year old Kylo Ren and 34 year old Hux to be "Child porn". Please. Do tell me how that's just criticizing things that were not criticized before.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, no, I would say that's wrong. I would also say that it's possible to criticize those things without doing the harassment and death threats.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT Yikes. I haven't noticed a sex negative trend either but it may be the fandom I'm in or the people I associate with. There are always going to be a few lunatics in any fandom, though.

[diet_poison]

I'd call that less "sex negative" and more "batshit crazy"

[(Anonymous)]

Is anyone else looking forward to the day when Tumblr decides that ALL porn is actually child porn because everyone was once a child? Come on... You know it's only a matter of time.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just rolling my fucking eyes at that shit. People are so pedo-happy these days.

[diet_poison]

I'd bet there are people already saying that, or something similar

[(Anonymous)]

Hasn't it already reached that point? I mean I've already seen discourse how a ship between a 20 year old and a 25 year old is too big an age gap and child pornography. Maybe people just don't understand the words they are throwing around.

[(Anonymous)]

I've already seen "aging young characters up is still child pornography because you're sexualizing the IDEA of the child character!!" levied at people who ship aged up Steven/Connie or the South Park boys on Tumblr, so it really is imminent.

[(Anonymous)]

People are already calling fic where characters are aged up child porn for precisely that reason. The wrong character bottoming is also child porn (according to a wank in the Sherlock fandom), as well as any pairing with a large age gap, even if everyone is over 18.

[(Anonymous)]

Just this past week I got told that I was a "pedophile apologist" because I said it was ok for people to write porn for a series meant for children. Most of the characters in said series are over the age of majority, including the original heroes since they've aged.

Writing legal age characters is child porn because they're in a series aimed at kids. What.

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently Wincest is also child porn, even if it's set in the recently finished season where Sam and Dean are 38 and 34, because Dean was "grooming" Sam.

I mean.

What.

The.

Fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh they were criticized before.

Then YKINMK came into being.

Now the pendulum is swinging the other way again.

Criticizing a kink in the abstract is okay. Attacking a person because they like said kink, especially in a purely fictional context, I believe is not okay.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, and my point is that I think that characterizing the entire conversation as sex-negative harassment is an undue generalization and hostile to conversations about criticizing kinks in the abstract.

[(Anonymous)]

You use a lot of words to say you want to judge other people. Stop couching in academic jargon, and save some key strokes.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I think it's due to the sex-negative current in recent feminism.

(ALL PIV SEX IS RAPE!!!!)

[(Anonymous)]

recent feminism? what the fuck are you talking about, Andrea Dworkin died ten years ago, motherfucker

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, you've still got people carrying on her legacy. I saw a recent youtube video by a feminist who claimed that all marriage is oppressive.

[(Anonymous)]

3rd wave feminist theory made it to tumblr. Tumblr echo chambered into the absurd, as tumblr does.

Dworkin may be dead, but the nonsense lives on.

[(Anonymous)]

OK, so we agree that it's not recent feminism.

The next question is, how representative is it of contemporary feminism

[(Anonymous)]

Oh please as if they're really feminists.

[(Anonymous)]

It's been a long time since I read Dworkin (like, 30 years), but I thought her argument was that any act of heterosexual sex not initiated by the woman was rape. That's not quite the same thing as "PIV sex is rape", although I can see how people might elide the two.

Am I misremembering?

[(Anonymous)]

It's been a long time since I read Dworkin (like, 30 years), but I thought she claimed that "Any act of heterosexual sex not initiated by the woman is rape". That's not quite the same thing as "PIV sex is rape", although I can see how the two might get confused.

Am I misremembering?