[ SECRET POST #3447 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3447 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

No thanks. That place imploded long before Journalfen bit the dust when it got overrun with terminally angry SJW types.

[(Anonymous)]

Which is worse, the terminally angry SJW type or the terminally angry at SJWs type

That's some Zen shit for your Saturday afternoon, man

[(Anonymous)]

That's easy. The former, because the latter wouldn't exist without the former shitting on everything we love.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, the latter would just find something else to get angry over.

[(Anonymous)]

Not really, no. Fandom was my happy fun place before SJWs decided they had to lecture everyone about how everything is Problematic.

[(Anonymous)]

HAHAHAHAHAHA NAH

[(Anonymous)]

Okay then?

[(Anonymous)]

Then why was there a Fandom Wank before the SJWs arrived?

[(Anonymous)]

Because people enjoyed laughing at dumb shit on the internet.

Then SJWs decided nothing could be fun anymore because literally everything is a moral issue.

[(Anonymous)]

It was though. Now it's no fun allowed because nobody wants to stay in their own lane. They gotta make sure to tell everyone else they are not living their life correctly.

[(Anonymous)]

So, to be clear here, what you're mad about is explicitly the intrusion of critical analysis of social mores and behaviors into places where it was previously absent?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm mad about people deciding everything must be perfectly safe and inclusive or else it's trash-garbage and everyone who created, likes it, or is associated should self-flagellate to death.

And I'm in quite a few of the minorities these types claim to be championing. I want them off my fucking side.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that the fucking worst? It's like, "I never voted for you to be my representative. Please stop making the public thing everyone with your skin color/sexuality/gender/etc is like you. I don't want to be associated with you."

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. In particular when they're telling people who don't agree with them to go kill themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Fandom SJ isn't really about justice; it's about people one-upping other fans and proving themselves morally superior while acting like obnoxious bullies.

[(Anonymous)]

See, this is where it just feels wrong to me. Because, yeah, some people do that, but there are also people have those conversations without being bullies. It seems to me more like people doing that is a problem which develops within the broader category of social justice conversations, not something intrinsic to it. And so, like, when you're talking about Fandom_Wank, or whatever, the community developed an inability to have functional conversations about those topics, but that's not the same as People Started Talking About Social Justice And Therefore It Sucked.

[(Anonymous)]

It didn't get to be that way until they started sipping the SJW Kool-Aid.

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe people weren't talking about those things and so no one realized that there were actually serious disagreements between people on the comm because they never surfaced? And then once those things were talked about more, people started having arguments about it.

I'm just saying, I think this is a lot more "human social interactions and communities are hard and have a lot of failure states", and less a novel problem or a result of a specific ideological position.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. The problem with the SJW position vs. disagreements about fandom in general is the SJW shit gives people a sense of moral superiority. It goes from "okay, we don't agree on the interpretation of this particular media but whatever" to "you don't agree with me because you're racist/misogynist/homophobic/etc. and therefore evil and I'm better than you (go kill yourself)."

[quantumreality]

IA that sometimes it felt more like people were looking for ways to out-smartarse each other in shitting on someone, but eh, shit happens.

[(Anonymous)]

AHAHAHAHAA, good one there, anti-SJW troll anon.

[sarillia]

Didn't they create a separate place for the serious things that came through the wank report and saved the original Fandom Wank for silly stuff? I could swear I remember looking at the wank report comments and seeing stuff like "that's depressing, send it over to [whatever the other place was called; I don't remember]".

[(Anonymous)]

They did, but nobody used it because it didn't get as much traffic.

[sarillia]

Ah okay. Still I kind of admire them for trying to find a way to keep the fun, happy place a lot of people loved without just completely shutting down the people who wanted to talk about serious things.

[(Anonymous)]

I am of the firm belief that Social Justice itself is a good thing, AS LONG AS IT STAYS REAL WORLD ORIENTED. The minute it crosses over into fandom it stops being social justice and starts being bullying.

I mean I like being able to see serious takes on the Sanford rape case and people outraged, and people very intelligently going through why referring to it as '20 minutes of action' is a manipulative thing. And lawyers talking about how judges empathize with the people involved, so that's why a former sports coach now judge is going to feel a lot sorrier for a student athlete than, say, a poor black girl who steals a candybar from a store.

Then you get into fandom and it's people taking the buzzwords and using them to bully everyone. "My incest ship is healthy and awesome and just fiction, YOUR incest ship is abusive and problematic and hurtful to survivors."

"If Sherlock is taking it up the butt from Watson it's fine, if Watson takes it up the butt from Sherlock it's PEDOPHILLIA and CHILD ABUSE and GROOMING and RACISM and wrong! And anyone who tried to defend them is DEFENDING all those awful things!"

"If you don't ship Stormpilot you're RACIST! If you don't ship JediStorm you're MISOGYNISTIC! If you don't ship HanLeia you're AGEIST! If you like Kylo you're A RAPIST"

And the main difference, I think, is that Real World SJW has a plan.
1. Notice injustice
2. Point out injustice
3. Propose ways to help injustice

The Fandom SJW just wants to scream
1. Notice injustice
2. Point out injustice
3. ?????
4. Feel superior.

I have seen dozens of "If you don't ship X you're a racist" posts go by, and not one single one has ever proposed anything helpful. Have X ship weeks! Promote fanart! Have "Go leave a nice comment on three X ship fics specifically saying what you liked about them!" events. Make positivity posts and promote them. Defend shippers from hate. I can think of all those off the top of my head, but those are work. It's much easier to scream.