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I'm watching Hillary's speech, and... I just don't understand.

1) Everyone accuses Trump of fearmongering, but all I've heard for the past few years from so-called liberals is how terrible America is – how it's a patriarchy, how we live in a rape culture, how terrible we are for fighting wars all over the world, how America was never great to begin with, how everyone who's not a white male is so oppressed in this country. And now the Democratic party is like, "no, actually, everything is really great, and we have lots of reasons to be happy and hopeful!" I'm sorry, but I don't buy it! Not after the incessant victim narrative we've had crammed down our throats. FFS, you'd think we were living in a third world apartheid from the way leftists talk.

2) WTF does it mean that Hillary Clinton is a "change-maker"? What does that mean? Obama won the presidency in 2008 on a campaign of change, and it was so exhilarating. It felt like a revolution! I voted for him – twice! Because we needed change so desperately, and I believe him. I wanted to believe him. He made ME want to change MYSELF. He made ME want to be a better person. But Hillary inspires nothing in me. Hillary is the textbook definition of "status quo."

I'm so completely disillusioned with the Democratic party. I've voted Democrat since 1996, but I just can't this time. I don't know what this party is or what it's supposed to represent anymore. Other than thinking Trump is pure evil and a madman and must be stopped at all costs to prevent the apocalypse.

Also, Hillary Clinton is the most boring speaker I've ever tried to listen to in my life. And everything about her comes across as so disingenuous and pandering that it disgusts me.

Huh. I don't actually see any disconnect between saying that America and Americans are terrible or (more accurately from where I'm standing) have things about them that are terrible, and saying that there are lots of reasons to be happy and hopeful--specifically, hopeful that those terrible things and those parts of all of us that are terrible can change for the better. I think that might be one of the differences between liberals and conservatives--liberals think that the best way to solve problems is to try something new, while conservatives think it's better to go back to the way we used to do things.

As for Trump, he is a fearmonger. He says America and Americans are great, and the only things preventing us from realizing that greatness are all these fearsome things like abortion access, environmental regulations, and people like Mexican and Muslim immigrants.

Liberals point to the flaws everyone, including them, need to overcome in themselves. Conservatives attack flaws in others that they supposedly don't share, and say if we only got rid of these laws or these people, everything would be better. We don't have to change. Everyone else does. So one side is a call for introspection and self-improvement, the other is a call to arms.

I believe everything you're saying about Republicans. It's why I've never identified as one.

But the picture you're painting of Democrats - and the one that the DNC is trying to promote - doesn't jive with the reality I've witnessed over the past few years. The picture I have is of so-called liberals silencing and demonizing those they disagree with, playing the victim, and blaming those with "privilege" for everything while never, ever admitting that marginalized groups sometimes work against their own interests and never taking responsibility for their own personal decisions when they can just point to a system of oppression as the root of all evil.

Democrats aren't really all that liberal. Sounds like you're conflating Tumblr SJWs with broader a liberal/progressive that just doesn't exist in that way at the national level.

I honestly cannot connect in any way with what you've brought up.

For one, Democrats and Hillary aren't saying "America is perfect". The point is that the country has good qualities and they are emphasizing the values that are supposed to symbolize the country in the face of bellicose rhetoric that acts like we're broken. There are bad things that are happening, but we can work together to fix them, because we do make positive change happen. I'm not sure what's hard to understand about that. It's inspirational "we can do it" talk in response to Trump's much more literal fearmongering.

And what it means when Hillary is called a "change-maker" - refers to her accomplishments. It sounds like you haven't researched all about her history in public service, and if you'd even listened to a few of the speeches they lay out pretty clearly why they call her that, whether you agree or not. I mean, too bad Hillary doesn't "inspire change in you" but have a look at her resume.

Sounds like you were too disillusioned with Democrats and Hillary in general to pay attention to any talk of platform goals and plans, which were all discussed.

As to your first point, I don't think that pointing out injustices and inequalities and mistakes is the same as going through all that kind of thing that you describe (sorry if I'm not accurate with my words, I'm a little drunk). I think the picture that the Democratic Party is trying to paint here - and I think it is, in large part, an accurate one - is that we've, you know, improved and we keep improving. Which is noble. But it doesn't mean that we've reached the finish line, you know? Upwards and onwards, you know?

Anyway, I suspect your personal dislike for Hillary Clinton makes all the rest of this a moot point, but, you know, it is what it is.

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