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⌈ Secret Post #3500 ⌋

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[ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eghk9bVNN9M ]

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[Impractical Jokers (R-L): Joe, Q, Sal, Murr]

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[American Gods]

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[Pretty Little Liars]

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[Doctor Who]

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[A Game of Thrones, Littlefinger/Sansa]

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[Brie Larson vs. Alison Brie]

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I'm uncomfortable with straight men as drag queens. It feels kind of like blackface to me.

are you okay if gay guys do it? if so...why?

Not entirely, but a little less so because it feels a little less like making fun of women. And I know gay guys who sometimes wear women's clothes, though not necessarily as drag queens, as part of their exploring their sexuality (not sure what clothes have to do with sexuality, but I guess it does for them). So that feels kind of okay to me. Whereas straight drag queens seem to be more making fun of women and stereotypes of women.

I think it is the whole show aspect, not the wearing women's clothes aspect that bothers me. I'm not bothered by men, straight or not, wearing women's clothes. It is the fake breasts and the fake voices and the way drag shows just seem to be mocking women that reminds me very much of blackface.

nayrt

this is just odd to me. straight men can also explore their sexuality by wearing women's clothes and gay men are just as likely to be misogynistic and just see women as a series of stereotypes to be mocked.

da

Gay men can be just as misogynistic, if not more so, than straight men. Many think that because they're gay they get a free pass.
I just personally hold both gay and straight men to the same standard.

Drag artists are very dedicated to their craft and take it seriously since it's their bread and butter. They're not mimicking women (unless they're trying to be fish), they're poking fun at themselves because they're men wearing dresses. Patriarchal rules be damned. The joke isn't on women, but the drag queens themselves for being (fabulous) failures. With fishy queens the fun is aimed at confusing straight men.
Despite what TV would tell you, drag queens face a lot of discrimination, and I don't think anybody would be in the business if they honestly didn't love their craft.

As a black person, I feel that blackface comes from a very different place, where the aim is to laugh at black people, not with them.

I agree. At least I think a distinction should be made for professional drag queens, who invest so much into their craft I find it hard to believe it doesn't come from a place of true passion. This is different from, say, frat boys who dress in drag for a party or on a dare.

This is a very insightful comment. Thank you for making it.

Women mock other women all the time.

The difference is that drag queens are at least funny about it.

As a woman, I don't see it as mocking women. It's like they thought that that kind of exaggeratedly feminine, high fashion womanhood was so cool that they wanted to share it. It almost feels like an homage to femaleness to me personally.

That's how I feel about it, honestly. I mean, I'm mentally and physically female, but a lot of drag queens look better in high fashion looks than I ever will! I can't help but admire the work they put into looking like women. As for the campiness? I've always seen it as more of a loving send-up.

Besides, I like seeing men in fancy clothes. I think I was born in the wrong century.

/whistles "The Creation of Man" from the "The Scarlet Pimpernel" musical

holy shit, lol. white feminism right here.

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